HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

May 02, 2003 Hearing Room 357

8:30 AM Tapes  96 – 97

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 180 A – Public Hearing

                                                SB 83 A – Work Session

                                                SB 183 – Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 96, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls meeting to order at 8:40 a.m., and opens a public hearing on SB 180A.

SB 180A – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of SB 180A, with reference to the issued Fiscal Impact Statement (EXHIBIT A).

025

Jim Beard

Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT B) in support of SB 180A.

135

Rep. Gilman

Asks about payments which would be implemented by the bill, and expresses concerns for those payments.

140

Beard

Clarifies Rep. Gilman’s question.

145

Rep. Gilman

Clarifies his concern that this will dilute other senior programs.

150

Beard

Explains that it is unclear how many tribes will use this program, and points out the tribes funding role in the program.

165

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies the application process currently and how this bill would alter that process.

170

Beard

Discusses the application process.

180

Rep. Dingfelder

Clarifies specific language in the fiscal impact statement, and clarifies that currently the tribes receive the money from the counties. Asks how the funds are used once received by the tribes.

185

Beard

Explains that all the funds are used for operational expenses, and none is used for administrative means.

200

Rep. Beyer

Clarifies that the money received is a portion of the money received from the county.

205

Beard

Acknowledges.

210

Rep. Beyer

Clarifies that the bill then would increase the funding to counties without an increase in population.

215

Beard

Acknowledges.

220

Chair Brown

Asks whether the Umatilla Reservation is only in Umatilla county.

225

Beard

Describes the geography of the Umatilla Reservation.

230

Louis Pitt Jr.

Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT C) in support of HB 180 A.

320

Rep. Mabrey

Expresses concern for the way in which the counties are vilified in Mr. Pitts testimony, asks if the Warm Springs Tribe has ever applied for the funding through the county.

330

Pitt

Explains that the tribe has never applied for the funding in question, and further explains the reasoning for having not applied.

360

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies that specific wording in the testimony then is not accurate.

365

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies that the “government to government” provision in SB 770 (2001) refers to the relationship between the state and the tribe.

370

Pitt

Discusses the legislative history of SB 770 (2001) from the previous legislative session.

TAPE 97, A

005

Rep. Greenlick

Asks whether SB 770 (2001) applied only to State agencies, or also applied to the counties relationships with the tribes.

010

Michael Mason

Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs. Further comments on the legislative history and intent of SB 770 (2001).

020

Rep. Greenlick

Points out that the application process for the tribes should be different under the current statute.

025

Mason

Discusses the relationship between the tribes and counties. Points out the importance of the bill to the elders of the Tribe.

045

Rep. Dingfelder

Clarifies that currently the tribes receive funds through the federal government.

050

Mason

Acknowledges.

055

Rep. Dingfelder

Further questions the original intent of the state funding through the counties in light of the applicable federal funding.

060

Pitt

Comments on the federal funding vs. the State funding.

065

Mason

Further comments on the use of the federal transportation funding for tribes.

075

Martin Loring

Oregon Department of Transportation, Public Transit Division. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT D) in support of SB 180 A.

250

Rep. Mabrey

Discusses the number of tribes which would take advantage of this proposed funding, and clarifies how this would affect allocation.

260

Loring

Discusses the possible number of the nine federally recognized Tribes in Oregon, which would utilize this funding. Discusses the allocation possibilities.

290

Rep. Mabrey

Comments on the formula used to distribute the funds.

305

Loring

Acknowledges the clarification.

310

Rep. Mabrey

Asks about the discretionary fund.

315

Loring

Acknowledges, discusses the discretionary portion of the allocation, and further discusses the funding issue.

345

Chair Brown

Welcomes the school children who entered the room.

365

Dennis Doherty

Umatilla County Commissioner. Offers testimony in opposition to SB 180 A.

TAPE 96, B

035

Doherty

Continues with testimony in opposition to SB 180 A.

080

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies that the debate is not over SB 770 (2001), but the state statute SB 770 (2001) became. Asks whether under that statute, SB 180A is consistent.

100

Doherty

Explains that he does not think SB 180A is consistent with the intent of SB 770 (2001). Defers the debate to Mr. Penhollow and Ms. Fogue who will soon testify. Continues with testimony in opposition to SB 180 A.

140

Bill Penhollow

Association of Oregon Counties. Offers testimony in opposition to SB 180A.

235

Andrea Fogue

League of Oregon Cities. Offers testimony in opposition to SB 180A, questioning ODOT’s interpretation of SB 770 (2001).

275

Rep. Greenlick

Points out his support for senior and disabled programs, but points out the intent of the statute ensuring cooperation between the State and the Tribes. Asks whether the witnesses think SB 180A meets with the intent of that statute.

315

Penhollow

Responds, discussing the effect of the legislation on the funding for counties. Discusses the importance of county services, and discusses the intent of the bill.

365

Rep. Mabrey

Asks how much funding Umatilla County has received.

370

Doherty

Explains that the amount Umatilla has received is around $131,000.

375

Rep. Mabrey

Points out that this is more than Wasco County receives. Points out the validity of the issue being addressed, expresses his view that there is a problem of allocation, but questions whether SB 180A addresses this problem.

TAPE 97, B

025

Roger Martin

Oregon Transit Association. Offers testimony in support of SB 180A.

090

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 180 A, and opens a work session on SB 83 A.

SB 83 A – WORK SESSION

095

Jim Whitty

Road Users Fee Task Force. Offers testimony in favor of the proposed –A3 amendments (EXHIBIT E).

110

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on SB 83A, and opens a public hearing on SB 183.

SB 183 – PUBLIC HEARING

115

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of SB 183.

135

Troy Costales

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT F) in support of SB 183.

240

Chair Brown

Asks whether the bill would only apply to Interstate-5.

245

Costales

Explains that the bill would apply to all roadways, and discusses the effects on I-5.

250

Chair Brown

Asks whether this bill would then eliminate the Basic Rule.

255

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies how the bill would affect the Basic Rule.

260

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether the laws being changed are from rule or statute.

265

Costales

Explains that the speed laws are set by the legislative body.

270

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Points out the need for an amendment to address a possible conflict with another bill.

285

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on SB 183, and adjourns the meeting at 10:19 a.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 180 A, Fiscal Impact Statement, Staff, 2 pp.

B – SB 180 A, written testimony, Jim Beard, 7 pp.

C – SB 180 A, written testimony, Louis Pitt Jr., 2 pp.

D – SB 180 A, written testimony, Martin Loring, 2 pp.

E – SB 83 A, -A3 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

F – SB 183, written testimony, Troy Costales, 7 pp.