HOUSE COMMITTEE ON WATER
March 25, 2003 Hearing Room B
8:30 AM Tape 42
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair
Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, Vice-Chair
Rep. Jeff Kropf, Vice-Chair
Rep. Linda Flores
Rep. Jeff Kruse
Rep. Mike Schaufler
Rep. Carolyn Tomei
STAFF PRESENT: Pete
Test, Committee Administrator
Ryan Sherlock, Committee Assistant
MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: HB 2473 WORK SESSION
HB 2227 WORK SESSION
HB 2268 PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK
SESSION
HB 2895 PUBLIC HEARING HB 3006 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2293 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2360 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2364 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2457 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2606 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2659 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2688 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2887 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2977 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 2991 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3047 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3094 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3201 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3202 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3204 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3205 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3215 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3216 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3217 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3220 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3297 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3249 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3261 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3281 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3295 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3298 PUBLIC HEARING
HB 3309 PUBLIC HEARING
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 42, A |
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003 |
Chair Jenson |
Calls meeting to order at 8:38 a.m., and discusses
the intent of the hearing today. Opens a work session on HB 2473. |
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HB 2473
WORK SESSION |
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020 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2473. |
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Chair Jenson |
Asks if there anyone would like to submit testimony
regarding HB 2473, closes the work session on HB 2473, and opens a work
session on HB 2227. |
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HB 2227
WORK SESSION |
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045 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2227, and the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT
A). |
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065 |
Lee Beyer |
Public Utilities Commission (PUC), Commissioner.
Offers testimony in support of HB 2777 and the proposed -1 amendment. |
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075 |
Rep. Kruse
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MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2227-1 amendments dated
03/12/03. |
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VOTE:
7-0 |
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Chair Jenson |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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080 |
Rep. Kruse
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MOTION: Moves HB 2227 to the floor with a DO PASS
AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE:
7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair
Jenson |
The motion CARRIES. |
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090 |
Rep. Kruse
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MOTION: Moves HB 2227 be placed on the CONSENT
CALENDAR. |
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VOTE:
7-0 |
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Chair Jenson |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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095 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the work session on HB 2227, and opens a
public hearing on HB 2268. |
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HB 2268
PUBLIC HEARING |
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105 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2268, and the proposed -3 amendment
(EXHIBIT B). |
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115 |
Adam Sussman |
Water Resources Department (WRD), Legislative
Director. Introduces and defers to Mr. Cleary. |
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120 |
Paul Cleary |
Water Resources Department, Director. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT C) in support of
HB 2268. |
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195 |
Chair Jenson |
Asks how the bill dealing with the WRD fees which
has already been passed out of committee relates to HB 2268. |
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210 |
Cleary |
Offers an explanation for the relationship between
the two issues. |
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230 |
Chair Jenson |
Clarifies that the department is not experiencing a
loss in revenues. |
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235 |
Cleary |
Acknowledges |
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240 |
Rep. Flores |
Asks what the Full Time Employee (FTE) number is for
the whole department. |
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245 |
Cleary |
Indicates the number of FTEs at the department
totals 144. Continues with testimony. |
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330 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks in regards to the dedicated funds, whether the
Water Right Operating Fund would pay all the permits. |
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340 |
Cleary |
Explains that the mix of funds would remain
relatively constant, and further discusses the issue of funding. |
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350 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks what percentage of the start card is funded by
fees versus general funds. |
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355 |
Cleary |
Explains that the well inspection program is totally
funded through start card fees, and discusses the use of general funds. |
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365 |
Rep. Kropf |
Refers to previously submitted testimony from the
witness in a prior hearing, and asks about figures in that testimony. |
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370 |
Cleary |
Offers an explanation for those costs as outlined in
the testimony. |
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390 |
Rep. Kropf |
Asks if he could be provided with cost breakdowns. |
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395 |
Cleary |
Indicates that he will get those figures for the
Representative, and continues with testimony. |
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TAPE 43, A |
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020 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Clarifies that the proposal is to increase the fees
for the start card program, and put on hold the current schedule. |
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025 |
Cleary |
Further explains the proposal, including discussion
of the timeline. Points out that the line items will be discussed in the
Committee on Ways and Means. |
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040 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks about the proposed work group. |
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045 |
Cleary |
Discusses the intent of the work group |
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050 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Asks for clarification of the fees in relation to
the cost of the program. |
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055 |
Cleary |
Explains the relationship between the proposed fee
and the cost of the program. |
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080 |
Sussman |
Offers description of the proposed -3 amendment. |
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095 |
Chair Jenson |
Clarifies the definition of public benefit. |
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100 |
Sussman |
Gives a definition of public benefit and continues
discussing the -3 amendment. |
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165 |
Chair Jenson |
Clarifies that the fees for the start card fund will
be depleted before October. |
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175 |
Jerry Schmidt |
Oregon Ground Water Association. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT D) regarding HB
2268, and the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT
E). |
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200 |
Cleary |
Agrees that the department has a number of tools,
and discusses the intent of the amendment. |
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220 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2268, and opens a
work session on HB 2268. |
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HB 2268
WORK SESSION |
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225 |
Rep.
Dingfelder |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2268-1 amendments dated
03/18/03. |
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230 |
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VOTE:
7-0 |
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Chair Jenson |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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235 |
Rep.
Dingfelder |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2268-3 amendments dated
03/25/03. |
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240 |
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VOTE:
7-0 |
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Chair Jenson |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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245 |
Rep.
Dingfelder |
MOTION: Moves HB 2268 AS AMENDED, WITHOUT
RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and
Means. |
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255 |
Rep. Kruse |
Expresses his intent to vote NO on HB 2268, and
discusses his concerns for the convolution of water laws in the State. |
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285 |
Rep. Kropf |
Expresses his intent to vote NO on HB 2268,
explaining his disinterest to add more FTEs to the state payroll, the lack
of efficiency in the agency, but expresses his concerns for the lack of
funding for the start card program. |
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380 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Expresses her concerns for the complexity of western
water laws, but expresses her interest in seeing the start card program
funded properly. |
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TAPE 42,
B |
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Chair Jenson |
Discusses his concerns regarding water laws, but
questions the simplicity of other state statutes. Points out that the start
card fee needs to be addressed, and will be addressed in Ways and Means. |
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060 |
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VOTE:
5-2 AYE: 5 - Dingfelder, Flores, Schaufler, Tomei, Jenson NAY: 2 - Kropf, Kruse |
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Chair Jenson |
The motion CARRIES. |
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070 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the work session on HB 2268, and opens a
public hearing on HB 2895. |
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HB 2895
PUBLIC HEARING |
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075 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2895. |
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080 |
Cathy Polino |
Secretary of State, Audits Division. Offers
testimony regarding HB 2895. |
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125 |
Rep. Kruse |
Asks whether the Audits Division has expertise in
water issues and programs, or whether the division would need to out source
for that information. |
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135 |
Polino |
Explains that the Audits Division does have some
expertise in the area, but whether that expertise is enough depends on the
scope of the audit. |
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145 |
Chair Jenson |
Ask why the costs presented are higher than those
charged by the private sector. |
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150 |
Polino |
Discusses the costs of the audits. |
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165 |
Chair Jenson |
Comments on the costs of such audits. |
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175 |
Rep. Kropf |
Asks where the estimations of the cost come from. |
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185 |
Polino |
Explains how the projected figures were come by. |
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200 |
Ted Lorensen |
Oregon Department of Forestry. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT F) in
opposition to HB 2895. |
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230 |
Chair Jenson |
Asks whether there is a cots associated with the
audit. |
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235 |
Lorensen |
Explains that the cost is a half million per
biennium for the monitoring program, and continues with testimony. |
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275 |
Matt Blevins |
Oregon Environmental Council. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT G) in support
of HB 2895. |
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340 |
Rep. Kropf |
Ask which programs Mr. Blevins sees as operating
inefficiently or not accomplishing its goals. |
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245 |
Blevins |
Explains that he does not have specific numbers, and
discusses those programs which are underperforming. |
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255 |
Rep. Kropf |
Clarifies his question that with their current
budget, which programs are underperforming. |
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260 |
Blevins |
Refers to the Water Permit Program and questions its
effectiveness. |
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270 |
Sussman |
Water Resources Department. Offers written testimony
(EXHIBIT H) in opposition to HB
2895. |
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280 |
Kropf |
Recognizes the severity of the states budgetary
concerns, and expresses the importance of auditing, and asks what current
measures are in place to make agencies accountable. |
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TAPE 43, B |
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030 |
Sussman |
Discusses the Water Resources Departments
interactions with stakeholders which help to keep the agency honest. |
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055 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Expresses his concerns for increasing the
bureaucracy in the state. |
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070 |
Rep. Kruse |
Expresses his concern for increasing the level of
audits. |
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080 |
Chair Jenson |
Enters written testimony from the Department of
Environmental Quality (EXHIBIT I),
and the Oregon Watershed Enhancement Board (EXHIBIT J). Closes the public hearing on HB 2895, opens a public
hearing on HB 3006. |
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HB 3006
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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094 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3006, opens a public
hearing on HB 2293. |
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HB 2293
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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096 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2293, opens a public
hearing on HB 2360. |
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HB 2360
PUBLIC HEARING |
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098 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2360, opens a public
hearing on HB 2364. |
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HB 2364
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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100 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2364, opens a public
hearing on HB 2457. |
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HB 2457
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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102 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2457, opens a public
hearing on HB 2606. |
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HB 2606
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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104 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2606, opens a public
hearing on HB 2659. |
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HB 2659
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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106 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2659, opens a public
hearing on HB 2688. |
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HB 2688
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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108 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2688, opens a public
hearing on HB 2887. |
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HB 2887
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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110 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2887, opens a public
hearing on HB 2977. |
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HB 2977
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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112 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2977, opens a public
hearing on HB 2991. |
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HB 2991
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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114 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2991, opens a public
hearing on HB 3047. |
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HB 3047
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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116 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3047, opens a public
hearing on HB 3094. |
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HB 3094
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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118 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3094, opens a public
hearing on HB 3201. |
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HB 3201
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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120 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3201, opens a public
hearing on HB 3202. |
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HB 3202
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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122 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3202, opens a public
hearing on HB 3204. |
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HB 3204
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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124 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3204, opens a public
hearing on HB 3205. |
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HB 3205
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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126 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3205, opens a public
hearing on HB 3215. |
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HB 3215
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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128 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3215, opens a public
hearing on HB 3216. |
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HB 3216
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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130 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3216, opens a public
hearing on HB 3217. |
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HB 32
17 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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132 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3217, opens a public
hearing on HB 3220. |
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HB 3220
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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134 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3220, opens a public
hearing on HB 3297. |
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HB 3297
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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136 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3297, opens a public
hearing on HB 3249. |
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HB 3249
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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138 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3249, opens a public
hearing on HB 3261. |
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HB 3261
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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140 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3261, opens a public
hearing on HB 3281. |
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HB 3281
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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142 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3281, opens a public
hearing on HB 3295. |
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HB 3295
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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144 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3295, opens a public
hearing on HB 3298. |
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HB 3298
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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146 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3298, opens a public
hearing on HB 3309. |
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HB 3309
- PUBLIC HEARING |
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148 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3309, and adjourns
the meeting at 10:09 a.m. |
EXHIBIT
SUMMARY
A
HB 2227, -1 amendment, Staff, 3 pp.
B
HB 2268, -3 amendment, Staff, 8 pp.
C
HB 2268, written testimony, Paul Cleary, 14 pp.
D
HB 2268, written testimony, Jerry Schmidt, 2 pp.
E
HB 2268, -1 amendment, Jerry Schmidt, 1 p.
F
HB 2268, written testimony, Ted Lorensen, 17 pp.
G
HB 2268, written testimony, Matt Blevins, 2 pp.
H
HB 2895, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 1 p.
I
HB 2895, written testimony, Mike Llewelyn, 1 p.
J
HB 2895, written testimony, Staff, 1 p.