HOUSE COMMITTEE ON WATER
April 03, 2003 Hearing Room B
8:30 AM Tape 48
- 49
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair
Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, Vice-Chair
Rep. Jeff Kropf, Vice-Chair
Rep. Jeff Kruse
Rep. Linda Flores
Rep. Mike Schaufler
Rep. Carolyn Tomei
STAFF PRESENT: Pete
Test, Committee Administrator
Ryan Sherlock, Committee Assistant
MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: HB 2887 – Public Hearing and Work
Session
HB 3047 – Public Hearing
HB 2976 – Public Hearing
HB 2977 – Public Hearing
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 48, A |
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|
003 |
Chair Jenson |
Calls meeting to order at 8:42 a.m., and opens a public
hearing on HB 2887. |
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HB 2887
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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|
005 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2887,
the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT A),
and proposed -2 amendment (EXHIBIT B) which
replace the -1 amendment. |
|
010 |
Katie Fast |
Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT C) in support
of HB 2887. |
|
035 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Clarifies Ms. Fast’s testimony. |
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045 |
Fast |
Explains that this is the reason for the proposed -2
amendments. |
|
070 |
Mike Llewelyn |
Department of Environmental Quality. Offers written
testimony (EXHIBIT D) regarding HB
2887, and the proposed -2 amendments. |
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085 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks whether the relevant definitions are currently
in rule. |
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090 |
Llewelyn |
Discusses the definitions in rule, and how they
relate to those in federal statute. |
|
100 |
Chair Jenson |
Asks Brendan McCarthy from Legislative Counsel to
address the amendments. |
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110 |
Brendan McCarthy |
Legislative Counsel. Offers testimony regarding the
state definitions and federal definitions at issue. |
|
160 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Asks what could be lost by creating redundancy. |
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165 |
McCarthy |
Explains that there would not be any statutory loss,
but the new statute would be unnecessarily. |
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180 |
Chair Jenson |
Discusses his problems with the federal definitions. |
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200 |
McCarthy |
Expresses his wish to talk more with the Cattlemen
about their intent with the bill. |
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230 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2887, and opens a
work session on HB 2887. |
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HB 2887
– WORK SESSION |
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235 |
Chuck Craig |
Oregon Department of Environmental Quality.
Expresses concern for specific wording in the bill. |
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270 |
Chair Jenson |
Thanks Mr. Craig for his clarification. |
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275 |
Rep. Tomei |
Asks what the difference is between specific
wordings. |
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280 |
Craig |
Offers definitions of the wordings. |
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325 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Asks what the difference is between “concentrated”
and “refined” animal feeding. |
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330 |
Craig |
Explains that “concentrated” is a federal wording
and “refined” is a state wording, and further discusses the issue. |
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TAPE 49, A |
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010 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Clarifies Mr. Craig’s concerns, and asks how many operations
would be affected. |
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015 |
Craig |
Explains there are around 500 permitted confined
animal feeding operations in the state, and of those more than half do not
meet the federal definition. |
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020 |
Chair Jenson |
Asks what The Oregon Cattlemen’s Association motives
are in introducing this bill. |
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025 |
Katie Fast |
Discusses the motives of her organization. |
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040 |
Chair Jenson |
Explains his intent to close the work session, so
the bill can be further worked on to dispel some of the expressed concerns.
Closes the work session on HB 2887, and opens a public hearing on HB 3047. |
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HB 3047
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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070 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
3047. |
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085 |
Chair Jenson |
Asks Rep. Dingfelder to explain her intent in
introducing HB 3047. |
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095 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Explains the history and purpose of HB 0347. |
|
120 |
Mike Llewelyn |
Department of Environmental Quality, Water Quality
Division. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT
E) in support of HB 3047, with reference to written testimony (EXHIBIT F) from Janet Gillaspie of
the Association of Clean Water Agencies. |
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160 |
Adam Sussman |
Water Resources Department. Offers written testimony
(EXHIBIT G) in support of HB 3047. |
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175 |
Willie Tiffany |
League of Oregon Cities. Offers testimony in support
of HB 3047. |
|
190 |
Susan Schneider |
City of Portland. Introduces and defers to Mr.
Acker. |
|
200 |
Greg Acker |
City of Portland, Office of Sustainable Development.
Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT H) in
support of HB 3047. |
|
250 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Asks for document referenced by Mr. Acker. |
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255 |
Acker |
Indicates he will provide the committee with the document,
and further discusses the issue. |
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265 |
Rep. Flores |
Clarifies that there is currently a lot of “gray
water” use in Portland. |
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270 |
Acker |
Discusses the use of “gray water” in Portland. |
|
280 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Points out that there are currently demonstrations
of “gray water” use, and asks whether there has been any cost analysis for
that use. |
|
290 |
Acker |
Discusses the lack of a cost analysis done by his
department. |
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305 |
Matt Blevins |
Oregon Environmental Council. Offers testimony in
support of HB 3047. |
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325 |
Kathryn VanNatta |
Northwest Pulp and Paper Association. Offers
testimony regarding HB 3047. |
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370 |
Chair Jenson |
Introduces written testimony (EXHIBIT I) from the Metropolitan Wastewater Management
Commission regarding HB 3047. Closes the public hearing on HB 3047, and opens
a public hearing on HB 2976. |
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HB 2976
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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375 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2976. |
|
390 |
Doug Myer |
WaterWatch. Introduces and defers to Mr. Hunter. |
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395 |
Bob Hunter |
WaterWatch. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT J) in support of HB 2976. |
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TAPE 48, B |
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040 |
Rep. Flores |
Asks how much the fee would be. |
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045 |
Hunter |
Discusses the process which would determine the fee. |
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050 |
Rep. Flores |
Asks whether there is a ballpark figure. |
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052 |
Hunter |
Explains that he could not guess. |
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055 |
Myers |
Submits into the record written testimony from
Gretchen Oosterhout (EXHIBIT K). |
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090 |
Roger Bachman |
Former member of the Water Resources Commission
(1994). Offer written testimony (EXHIBIT
L) in support of HB 2976. |
|
140 |
John Frewing |
Tigard, Oregon. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT M) in support of HB 2976. |
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215 |
Adam Sussman |
Water Resource Department. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT N) regarding HB 2976. |
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255 |
Katie Fast |
Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Offers testimony in
opposition to HB 2976. |
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275 |
Jean Wilkinson |
Oregon Farm Bureau. Offers testimony in opposition to
HB 2976. |
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300 |
Richard Kosesan |
Water for Life. Offers testimony in opposition of HB
2976. |
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325 |
Rep. Kruse |
Expresses his concerns regarding the bill. |
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345 |
Chair Jenson |
Mentions a model program. |
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355 |
Jeffrey Kee |
Tigard, Oregon. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT O) in support of HB 2976. |
|
395 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2976 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2977. |
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HB 2977
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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|
400 |
Pete Test |
Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB
2977. |
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TAPE 49, B |
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|
001 |
Doug Myers |
WaterWatch. Defers to Mr. Hunter. |
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005 |
Bob Hunter |
WaterWatch. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT P) in support of HB 2977,
with reference to the Wood River Steamflow, Water Year 1998 Data Collection
and Analysis (EXHIBIT Q), and
submitted letter from Martha Pagel (EXHIBIT
R). |
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075 |
Rep. Tomei |
Asks why the Water Resources Department (WRD) does
not utilize its authority to improve water use measurement. |
|
080 |
Hunter |
Comments on the failure of the WRD to use this
authority. |
|
090 |
Chair Jenson |
Explains that the question should be directed to the
department. |
|
100 |
Adam Sussman |
Water Resources Department. Offers written testimony
(EXHIBIT S) regarding HB 2977. |
|
130 |
Rep. Tomei |
Clarifies figures in testimony. |
|
135 |
Sussman |
Points out figures in question, and continues with
testimony. |
|
155 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks about funding for the proposed project. |
|
160 |
Sussman |
Discusses the issue of funding, and continues with
testimony. |
|
190 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks about the fairness issue of requiring some to
report water use, but not others. |
|
205 |
Sussman |
Discusses the relevant fairness issue. |
|
235 |
Rep. Dingfelder |
Asks what percentage of the states water resources
are measured. |
|
240 |
Sussman |
Indicates he will get the relevant information. |
|
255 |
Roger Bachman |
Offers a correction of testimony submitted by Mr. Kosesan. |
|
270 |
Chair Jenson |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2977, and adjourns
the meeting at 10:22 a.m. |
EXHIBIT
SUMMARY
A
– HB 2887, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p.
B
– HB 2887, -2 amendments, Staff, 1 p.
C
– HB 2887, written testimony, Katie Fast, 1 p.
D
– HB 2887, written testimony, Mike Llewelyn, 1 p.
E
– HB 3047, written testimony, Mike Llewelyn, 2 pp.
F
– HB 3047, written testimony, Janet Gillaspie, 1 p.
G
– HB 3047, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 2 pp.
H
– HB 3047, written testimony, Greg Acker, 3 pp.
I
– HB 3047, written testimony, Staff, 1 p.
J
– HB 2976, written testimony, Bob Hunter, 3 pp.
K
– HB 2976, written testimony, Gretchen Ooberhout, 2 pp.
L
– HB 2976, written testimony, Roger Bachman, 2 pp.
M
– HB 2976, written testimony, John Frewing, 1 p.
N
– HB 2976, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 2 pp.
O
– HB 2976, written testimony, Jeffrey Kee, 1 p.
P
– HB 2977, written testimony, Bob Hunter, 2 pp.
Q – HB 2997, Wood River Streamflow, Water
Year 1998 Data Collection and Analysis, Bob Hunter, 2 pp.
R
– HB 2997, submitted letter, Martha
Pagel, 1 p.
S
– HB 2977, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 4 pp.