HOUSE COMMITTEE ON WATER

 

 

April 03, 2003 Hearing Room B

8:30 AM Tape  48 - 49

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, Vice-Chair

Rep. Jeff Kropf, Vice-Chair

Rep. Jeff Kruse

Rep. Linda Flores

Rep. Mike Schaufler

Rep. Carolyn Tomei

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Pete Test, Committee Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2887 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3047 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2976 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2977 – Public Hearing

                                               

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 48, A

003

Chair Jenson

Calls meeting to order at 8:42 a.m., and opens a public hearing on HB 2887.

HB 2887 – PUBLIC HEARING

005

Pete Test

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2887, the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT A), and proposed -2 amendment (EXHIBIT B) which replace the -1 amendment.

010

Katie Fast

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT C) in support of HB 2887.

035

Rep. Dingfelder

Clarifies Ms. Fast’s testimony.

045

Fast

Explains that this is the reason for the proposed -2 amendments.

070

Mike Llewelyn

Department of Environmental Quality. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT D) regarding HB 2887, and the proposed -2 amendments.

085

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks whether the relevant definitions are currently in rule.

090

Llewelyn

Discusses the definitions in rule, and how they relate to those in federal statute.

100

Chair Jenson

Asks Brendan McCarthy from Legislative Counsel to address the amendments.

110

Brendan McCarthy

Legislative Counsel. Offers testimony regarding the state definitions and federal definitions at issue.

160

Rep. Schaufler

Asks what could be lost by creating redundancy.

165

McCarthy

Explains that there would not be any statutory loss, but the new statute would be unnecessarily.

180

Chair Jenson

Discusses his problems with the federal definitions.

200

McCarthy

Expresses his wish to talk more with the Cattlemen about their intent with the bill.

230

Chair Jenson

Closes the public hearing on HB 2887, and opens a work session on HB 2887.

HB 2887 – WORK SESSION

235

Chuck Craig

Oregon Department of Environmental Quality. Expresses concern for specific wording in the bill.

270

Chair Jenson

Thanks Mr. Craig for his clarification.

275

Rep. Tomei

Asks what the difference is between specific wordings.

280

Craig

Offers definitions of the wordings.

325

Rep. Schaufler

Asks what the difference is between “concentrated” and “refined” animal feeding.

330

Craig

Explains that “concentrated” is a federal wording and “refined” is a state wording, and further discusses the issue.

TAPE 49, A

010

Rep. Schaufler

Clarifies Mr. Craig’s concerns, and asks how many operations would be affected.

015

Craig

Explains there are around 500 permitted confined animal feeding operations in the state, and of those more than half do not meet the federal definition.

020

Chair Jenson

Asks what The Oregon Cattlemen’s Association motives are in introducing this bill.

025

Katie Fast

Discusses the motives of her organization.

040

Chair Jenson

Explains his intent to close the work session, so the bill can be further worked on to dispel some of the expressed concerns. Closes the work session on HB 2887, and opens a public hearing on HB 3047.

HB 3047 – PUBLIC HEARING

070

Pete Test

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 3047.

085

Chair Jenson

Asks Rep. Dingfelder to explain her intent in introducing HB 3047.

095

Rep. Dingfelder

Explains the history and purpose of HB 0347.

120

Mike Llewelyn

Department of Environmental Quality, Water Quality Division. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT E) in support of HB 3047, with reference to written testimony (EXHIBIT F) from Janet Gillaspie of the Association of Clean Water Agencies.

160

Adam Sussman

Water Resources Department. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT G) in support of HB 3047.

175

Willie Tiffany

League of Oregon Cities. Offers testimony in support of HB 3047.

190

Susan Schneider

City of Portland. Introduces and defers to Mr. Acker.

200

Greg Acker

City of Portland, Office of Sustainable Development. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT H) in support of HB 3047.

250

Rep. Schaufler

Asks for document referenced by Mr. Acker.

255

Acker

Indicates he will provide the committee with the document, and further discusses the issue.

265

Rep. Flores

Clarifies that there is currently a lot of “gray water” use in Portland.

270

Acker

Discusses the use of “gray water” in Portland.

280

Rep. Dingfelder

Points out that there are currently demonstrations of “gray water” use, and asks whether there has been any cost analysis for that use.

290

Acker

Discusses the lack of a cost analysis done by his department.

305

Matt Blevins

Oregon Environmental Council. Offers testimony in support of HB 3047.

325

Kathryn VanNatta

Northwest Pulp and Paper Association. Offers testimony regarding HB 3047.

370

Chair Jenson

Introduces written testimony (EXHIBIT I) from the Metropolitan Wastewater Management Commission regarding HB 3047. Closes the public hearing on HB 3047, and opens a public hearing on HB 2976.

HB 2976 – PUBLIC HEARING

375

Pete Test

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2976.

390

Doug Myer

WaterWatch. Introduces and defers to Mr. Hunter.

395

Bob Hunter

WaterWatch. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT J) in support of HB 2976.

TAPE 48, B

040

Rep. Flores

Asks how much the fee would be.

045

Hunter

Discusses the process which would determine the fee.

050

Rep. Flores

Asks whether there is a ballpark figure.

052

Hunter

Explains that he could not guess.

055

Myers

Submits into the record written testimony from Gretchen Oosterhout (EXHIBIT K).

090

Roger Bachman

Former member of the Water Resources Commission (1994). Offer written testimony (EXHIBIT L) in support of HB 2976.

140

John Frewing

Tigard, Oregon. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT M) in support of HB 2976.

215

Adam Sussman

Water Resource Department. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT N) regarding HB 2976.

255

Katie Fast

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2976.

275

Jean Wilkinson

Oregon Farm Bureau. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2976.

300

Richard Kosesan

Water for Life. Offers testimony in opposition of HB 2976.

325

Rep. Kruse

Expresses his concerns regarding the bill.

345

Chair Jenson

Mentions a model program.

355

Jeffrey Kee

Tigard, Oregon. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT O) in support of HB 2976.

395

Chair Jenson

Closes the public hearing on HB 2976 and opens a public hearing on HB 2977.

HB 2977 – PUBLIC HEARING

400

Pete Test

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2977.

TAPE 49, B

001

Doug Myers

WaterWatch. Defers to Mr. Hunter.

005

Bob Hunter

WaterWatch. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT P) in support of HB 2977, with reference to the Wood River Steamflow, Water Year 1998 Data Collection and Analysis (EXHIBIT Q), and submitted letter from Martha Pagel (EXHIBIT R).

075

Rep. Tomei

Asks why the Water Resources Department (WRD) does not utilize its authority to improve water use measurement.

080

Hunter

Comments on the failure of the WRD to use this authority.

090

Chair Jenson

Explains that the question should be directed to the department.

100

Adam Sussman

Water Resources Department. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT S) regarding HB 2977.

130

Rep. Tomei

Clarifies figures in testimony.

135

Sussman

Points out figures in question, and continues with testimony.

155

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks about funding for the proposed project.

160

Sussman

Discusses the issue of funding, and continues with testimony.

190

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks about the fairness issue of requiring some to report water use, but not others.

205

Sussman

Discusses the relevant fairness issue.

235

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks what percentage of the states water resources are measured.

240

Sussman

Indicates he will get the relevant information.

255

Roger Bachman

Offers a correction of testimony submitted by Mr. Kosesan.

270

Chair Jenson

Closes the public hearing on HB 2977, and adjourns the meeting at 10:22 a.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2887, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

B – HB 2887, -2 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

C – HB 2887, written testimony, Katie Fast, 1 p.

D – HB 2887, written testimony, Mike Llewelyn, 1 p.

E – HB 3047, written testimony, Mike Llewelyn, 2 pp.

F – HB 3047, written testimony, Janet Gillaspie, 1 p.

G – HB 3047, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 2 pp.

H – HB 3047, written testimony, Greg Acker, 3 pp.

I – HB 3047, written testimony, Staff, 1 p.

J – HB 2976, written testimony, Bob Hunter, 3 pp.

K – HB 2976, written testimony, Gretchen Ooberhout, 2 pp.

L – HB 2976, written testimony, Roger Bachman, 2 pp.

M – HB 2976, written testimony, John Frewing, 1 p.

N – HB 2976, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 2 pp.

O – HB 2976, written testimony, Jeffrey Kee, 1 p.

P – HB 2977, written testimony, Bob Hunter, 2 pp.

Q – HB 2997, Wood River Streamflow, Water Year 1998 Data Collection and Analysis, Bob Hunter, 2 pp.

R – HB 2997,  submitted letter, Martha Pagel, 1 p.

S – HB 2977, written testimony, Adam Sussman, 4 pp.