SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

March 6, 2003                                                                                                         Hearing Room C

3:00 p.m.                                                                                                                         Tapes 30-31

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen.  Charles Starr, Chair

Sen.  Ryan Deckert, Vice-Chair

Sen. Ted Ferrioli

Sen. Bill Morrisette

MEMBER EXCUSED:

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Jan McComb, Committee Administrator

Romy Dye, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: SB 340 – Public Hearing

                                                SB 11 – Work Session

                                                SB 369 – Public Hearing

SB 370 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 30, A

005

Chair Starr

Calls the sub-committee to order at 3:03 PM. Opens a public hearing on SB 340.

SB 340 – PUBLIC HEARING

007

Roger Beyer

Oregon State Senator. Testifies in support of SB 340. Discusses school districts needing to find the best person they can to do the job.

040

Sen. Morrisette

Supports idea of different tracts for teaching and administrating.

060

Beyer

Comments bill doesn’t exclude anyone from the job.

070

Velma Hartwig

Oregon resident. Agrees. Discusses many people qualified to run school district with various backgrounds. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A).

097

Ed Johnstone

Oregon resident. Testifies in support of SB 340 in Lincoln County.

124

Pat Evenson-Brady

Chair, Teachers Standards and Practices Commission and Superintendent of Region 9.Testifies in opposition of SB 340. Concerned with removing administrators from licensure.

153

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether an occasion of not able to reprimand an administrator who had an exception on administrator license but not a member of the standard and practices has occurred.

157

Evanson-Brady

Answers negatively.

160

Chair Starr

Asks what manner of exceptions looking at for someone filing for exceptional license.

167

Evanson-Brady

Responds has no details but will provide later.

169

Sen. Morrisette

Asks question providing an example in regards to an exceptional administrator license.

180

Evanson-Brady

Responds will provide details on the exceptional administrator license later.

183

Chuck Bennett

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). Speaks in opposition of SB 340 providing an example in regards to exceptional administrator’s license. Discusses many qualified people who are seeking various positions and unable to take the job.

266

Chair Starr

Asks whether charters, electronic schools and storefront schools would be a larger problem as the configuration of schools changes.

274

Bennett

Responds need to keep track of it as growth in charter schools occur.

290

Bill Beck

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). Testifies in opposition of SB 340. Discusses a Master’s Degree allowing  more options and needing leadership on the faculty and a background in education for school to do its job.

329

Sen. Morrisette

Comments need flexibility, guidelines for educational requirement and need curriculum. Asks whether Master’s Degree is basis for educational requirement.

354

Beck

Responds yes it is.

357

Chair Starr

Asks where it shows a Masters degree gives certainty to lead in that arena. 

364

Bennett

Answers not prepared today to share that research.

378

Evanson-Brady

Comments on own personal example on preparation for superintendent position.  

395

Sen. Ferriolli

Asks how the education institution rewards entrepreneurism and gets innovation in its system in what appears to be a closed loop.

414

Bennett

Responds with example and comments the jobs are competitively recruited.

TAPE 31, A

005

Sen. Ferriolli

Asks about shaking up the educational institution.

023

Bennett

Responds many mechanisms will shake it up but need some sort of expertise.

050

Mardale Dunsworth

Oregon Department of Education (ODE). Expresses concerns:

·         Administrators may be hired without administrator background weakening statewide licensure system

·         Elimination requirement for background checks

·         Mentoring programs for administrators not in place in all districts across the state

071

Chair Starr

Asks how we find information verifying input at educational level has anything to do with performance and outcome for children in the public school system.

081

Dunsworth

Responds standards are established in ODE rule and coursework is established at higher institutions.

090

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 340 and opens a work session on SB 11.

SB 11 – WORK SESSION

093

Sen. Ferriolli

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 11-1 amendments dated 01/24/03.

095

 

VOTE:  4-0        (EXHIBIT C)

 

Chair Starr

The motion CARRIES.

100

Sen. Ferriolli

MOTION:  Moves SB 11 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

115

 

VOTE:  4-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Starr

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FERRIOLLI will lead discussion on the floor.

126

Chair Starr

Closes the work session on SB 11 and opens a public hearing on SB 369.

SB 369 – PUBLIC HEARING

134

Velma Hartwig

Oregon resident. Testifies in support of SB 369. Asks how 10% Full-time employees affect small school districts and small schools.

153

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 369 and opens a public hearing on SB 370.

SB 370 – PUBLIC HEARING

170

Velma Hartwig

Oregon resident. Asks how those can be included qualified with experience to teach without a professional license.

175

Chair Starr

Asks if referring to a charter school.

179

Hartwig

Responds concerned with other small schools.

187

Ed Johnston

Oregon resident. Comments need variety of teachers to teach students how to read and write.

203

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 370 and opens a public hearing on SB 369.

SB 369 – PUBLIC HEARING

207

Ed Johnston

Oregon resident. Comments need flexibility with teachers to teach students how to read and write.

239

Pat Evanson-Brady

Chair, Teachers Standards and Practices Commission and Superintendent of Region 9. Testifies in opposition of SB 369. Comments alternative roots to certification in place and if individuals are not licensed by Teachers Standard Practices Commission they are not subject to discipline imposed by the commission. 

265

Holly Cooper

Legislative Assistant. Testifies in support of SB 369 on behalf of Senator John Minnis asking for amendment to SB 369.

286

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 369 and opens a public hearing on SB 370.

SB 370 – PUBLIC HEARING

290

Cooper

Legislative Assistant. Testifies in support of SB 370 on behalf of Senator John Minnis.

360

Teresa Ferrer

Center for Teaching and Learning, Oregon Education Association. Testifies in opposition of SB 370. Submits written material. (EXHIBIT B).

TAPE 30, B

066

Sen. Deckert

Asks why not allowing exception for a principle or administrator ability in certain circumstances.

078

Ferrer

Responds exceptional administrator license allows people outside education to be licensed in the state but need basic qualification of Master’s Degree and be supported by district wanting to hire them.

084

Sen. Deckert

Asks why Master’s Degree required if school board believes individual can perform the job.

086

Ferrer

Responds it is a threshold requirement.  

100

Sen. Morrisette

Comments would prefer issue to be addressed.

104

Chair Starr

Reopens the public hearings on SB 340 & 369.

SB 340& 369 – PUBLIC HEARING

119

Sen. Deckert

Asks why not allow an extremely qualified individual with no formal education the job.

122

Ferrer

Center for Teaching and Learning, Oregon Education Association. Answers with example in relation to teachers.

128

Chuck Bennett

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). Comments Master’s degree is a rule and threshold into becoming an administrator.

158

Sen. Deckert

Asks why not leave the door open for special someone who didn’t meet standards.

166

Bennett

Responds unsure why decision was made and those exceptions are quite rare.

176

Sen. Morrisette

Comments needs further discussion.

189

Chair Starr

Comments many individuals with education would be great teachers. and would like to see people recruited in different areas and should be left open.

216

Tricia Smith

Oregon School Employer’s Association (OSEA). Unsure whether or not bills include teachers working with Education School District’s. Testifies in opposition of SB 369 & 370. Comments needs statewide standards for teachers to give same quality education across state.

299

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether subject matter knowledge is always translated into good teaching practices.

300

Ferrer

Responds that a combination of content knowledge and ability to teach makes a good teacher along with disposition.

311

Bennett

Testifies in opposition of SB 369 & 370. Mentions additional license opportunities:

·         Restricted transitional license

·         Professional technical education

·         Emergency licenses

·         Exceptional licenses

·         Limited teaching licenses

400

Bennett

Expresses concern with number of issues relating to discipline relative to group having professional licenses outside of teaching licenses. Suggests background checks and proper screening with no major changes to Oregon’s system. 

428

Bill Beck

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). Provides example in opposition of SB 369 & 370. Suggests not making major changes to Oregon’s system.  

TAPE 31, B

005

Chair Starr

Asks what qualifications are needed for a highly qualified individual means to maintain a license.

017

Bennett

Responds highly qualified is a federal standard that has to be met.  

023

Mardale Dunsworth

Oregon Department of Education (ODE). Expresses concerns:

·         Concerned teacher at any grade level to be hired by a school district if holding any type of professional license which is in conflict with No Child Left Behind Act  

·         Repeals ORS 342173

·         Unclear on whether this bill includes national teaching certification

·         Removes data from school and district report cards which parents are interested in knowing

042

Sen. Morrisette

Asks why public school systems have rules and Catholic schools do not.

051

Dunsworth

Responds does not know the answer.

055

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether agree the difference is in a private school parents pay for education and in the public system taxpayers pay education.

059

Dunsworth

Responds not sure if that is the reason but private schools do not require licensure and public schools do.

061

Chair Starr

Comments good educators are out there.

077

Sen. Morrisette

Agrees.

110

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearings on SB 340, 369 & 370 and adjourns the meeting at 4:50 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 340, 369 & 370, written testimony, Velma Hartwig, 1 p

B – SB 370, informational handout, Teresa Ferrer, 6 pp

 

The following exhibit is listed out of order in the body of the tape log:

C – SB 11, -1 amendments dated 01/24/03, 1 p