SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

March 25, 2003                                                                                                       Hearing Room C

3:00 PM                                                                                                                          Tapes 40-41

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen.  Charles Starr, Chair

Sen.  Ryan Deckert, Vice-Chair

Sen. Ted Ferrioli

Sen. Bill Morrisette

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:          Sen. Ted Ferriolli

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Jan McComb, Committee Administrator

Romy Dye, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:           SB 525 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                SB 644 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 40, A

005

Chair Starr

Calls the committee to order at 3:12 PM. Opens a public hearing on SB 525. Presents -1 amendments dated 3/25/03 (EXHIBIT G).

SB 525 – PUBLIC HEARING

008

Gary George

Oregon State Senator. Testifies in favor of SB 525. Provides overview of SB 525. Submits written material (EXHIBITS A, B).

021

Alan Brown

Oregon State Representative. Testifies in favor of SB 525.

050

Mark Bigger

Legislative Assistant, Senator Gary George. Discusses amendment. Submits written material (EXHIBIT C).

065

Sen. Deckert

Expresses concern with objection granting in-state residency status to any member of army personnel . Suggests not making this so broad.

075

Chair Starr

Asks how an individual who never lived in or worked in is required to file twelve months of Oregon tax.

085

Brown

Responds Oregon residency status is stated.

087

Colonel Mike Caldwell

Deputy Director, Military Department. Testifies in favor of SB  525. Adds when in active duty given choice to select home of record and then fall under state rules. Discusses twelve month requirement that individual has to be twelve months a resident of Oregon paying taxes to Oregon. 

108

Sen. Morrisette

States if normal residency requirement for student who moves to Oregon is twelve months requirement is met to pay taxes for twelve months.

115

Caldwell

Responds correct.

126

George

Adds comment regarding in-state tuition and income tax.

142

Jim Ludwick

Oregon resident. Testifies in support of SB 525. Feels SB 525 is a way to thank people for putting lives on line to protect everyone’s liberties. Comments military should get in-state tuition.

165

Chair Starr

Comments on personal experience being in the army.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony for SB 525:

                       Jim Arnold                  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D)

SB 525 – WORK SESSION

190

Sen. Deckert

Asks for clarification of SB 525 that it defines if pay income tax for one year and declare Oregon residency then SB 525 states granted in-state tuition.  

196

Jan McComb

Committee Administrator. Clarifies SB 525.

206

Sen. Deckert

Elaborates on dates for filing taxes.

214

Sen. Morrisette

Clarifies on meeting one year Oregon residency requirement by declaring Oregon residency by the income tax return.

220

Chair Starr

Comments Veterans served outside of the state were benefited two years ago and now the aim is for benefiting those inside the state.

227

Sen. Morrisette

Asks for amendment including university system and community colleges.

250

Caldwell

Clarifies page 2 of SB 525  includes proper language involving all universities for the state.

255

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether  the amendment would put the community colleges into SB 525.

258

Caldwell

Responds yes.

273

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 525-1 amendments dated 03/25/03.

275

 

VOTE:  3-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Ferriolli

 

Chair Starr

The motion CARRIES.

280

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves SB 525 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to Ways and Means be rescinded.

290

 

VOTE:  3-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Ferriolli

 

Chair Starr

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. GEORGE will lead discussion on the floor.

308

Chair Starr

Closes the work session on SB 525 and opens a public hearing on SB 644.

SB 644 – PUBLIC HEARING

321

Sen. Deckert

Testifies in favor of SB 644. Provides summary of SB 644. Submits written testimony (EXHIBITS E, F).

412

Sen. Ferriolli

Asks if this program would be different if applied to K-12 students.

416

Sen. Deckert

Responds circumstances with higher education and K-12 are vastly different.

421

Sen. Ferriolli

Clarifies the general fund would apportion the dollars among high school students savings accounts. Asks what the students do in regards to their accounts who are non-graduates by choice.

439

Sen. Deckert

Responds believes two years is the time frame.  

TAPE 41, A

005

Sen. Ferriolli

Comments the institutions would have to be deprived of income for two years for the percentage of students who do not go to community college or institution of higher learning. 

010

Sen. Deckert

Comments SB 644 is designed in ways to benefit those communities.

015

Sen. Ferriolli

Agrees. Comments many problems are economic but some students are not going to be higher institution bound for education.

024

Sen. Deckert

Agrees. Stresses best features of program are for students opportunity grant is after and program designed for low income students.

045

Sen. Ferriolli

Comments unfunded scholarship program for foster kids not funded in previous session.

054

Sen. Morrisette

Refers to page 3 of SB 644. Comments qualification for entry into higher education system is beyond what some will achieve. Asks about a lot of people not qualifying.  

074

Sen. Deckert

Comments admission is the triggering factor. States that before that it is a marketing program.  

092

Sen. Morrisette

Refers to page 2 that each person notified saying that there will be money set aside for them if they qualify.

102

Sen. Deckert

Answers precisely.

105

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether the money set aside is based on how many people are likely to apply.

108

Sen. Deckert

Responds reason see blanks is largely due to different students cost different amounts.

131

Gratton Kerans

Director of Government Relations, Oregon University System. Discusses how University System is involved. States root issue is taxpayers need to be prepared to invest heavily. If implemented after perfected it would cause different things:

  • Dismantle resource allocation model,
  • Change to a different system
  • Await arrival of those who come with the voucher saying something is in the savings account

Comments if willing to raise taxes and distribute money to education savings accounts for everyone who qualifies as many as come then not an entitlement and has to be limited.

250

Kerans

Recommends rather than working through mechanism and changing entire landscape of post secondary education and budgeting and negative response that may come from that instead say we have an obligation to the students who select themselves out.

265

Sen. Morrisette

Expresses interest in previous comments and worth working on.

284

Sen. Deckert

Disagrees with previous testimony due to once education savings account available difficulty reducing checks given to students.

319

Kerans

States does not disagree; elaborates not sure state is prepared to turn this into an entitlement plan which is open blank check on general fund. Feels effective if target specific parts of the population.

365

Chair Starr

Comments this is important discussion. Provides personal example on own kids and schooling.

422

Sen. Morrisette

Expresses interest. Comments on need for discussion, incentive and rewards for those who qualify.   

432

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 644 and adjourns the committee at 4:09 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 525, written testimony for Chad Ryan, Senator Gary George, 1p

B – SB 525, written summary, Senator Gary George, 1 pp

C – SB 525, written letter on amendment, Mark Bigger, 1 pp

D – SB 525, written letter not discussed, Jim Arnold, 2 pp

E – SB 644, written testimony, Senator Ryan Deckert, 1p

F – SB 644, packet on Governor’s Blue Ribbon Panel, Senator Ryan Deckert, 23 pp

 

The following exhibit is listed out of order in the body of the tape log:

 

G – SB 525, -1 amendments dated 3/25/03, staff, 1p