SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

April 8, 2003†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Hearing Room C

3:00 PM††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Tapes 54-55

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:†††††††† Sen.Charles Starr, Chair

Sen. Ryan Deckert, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Morrisette

Sen. Ted Ferriolli

 

STAFF PRESENT:†††††††††††††††† Jan McComb, Committee Administrator

Romy Dye, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:†††††††††† SB 761 Ė Work Session

††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† SB 745 Ė Public Hearing

††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† SB 581 Ė Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speakerís exact words.For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 54, A

005

Chair Starr

Calls the committee to order at 3:05 PM. Opens a work session on SB 761. ††††††

SB 761 Ė WORK SESSION

010

Sen. Deckert

MOTION:Moves SB 761 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

015

 

VOTE:4-0

AYE:††††††††††† In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Starr

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. BRUCE STARR will lead discussion on the floor.

020

Chair Starr

Closes the work session on SB 761 and opens a public hearing on SB 745.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony for SB 761:

††††††††††††††††††††† Rick Grimm†††††††††††††††† Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A)

SB 745 Ė PUBLIC HEARING

023

John Minnis

Oregon State Senator. Testifies in favor of SB 745. Summarizes SB 745. Discusses determining whether or not fiscal impact of one of the rules would cost the state or school districts over $250,00 and effects of this determination. Feels various commissions around the state should be implementing rules that have broad fiscal impacts on school districts or the state and up to legislative assembly to review that.††

050

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if had opportunity to look at pay scale adopted by various districts around the state that determine teachers increases.

054

Minnis

Responds no.

056

Sen. Morrisette

Feels it is a local issue dealing with the pay for a masterís degree and so to require a fifth year or masterís is an educational improvement in terms of ability to teach in a classroom.

066

Minnis

Comments does not disagree on that point. Adds disagree with there being a commission that is not the legislature and not responsible for accountability of roll-up costs of various rules being implemented. Discusses benefit of knowing whether or not additional rules adopted by agencies have a fiscal impact.

087

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if considers SB 745anunfunded mandate.

090

Minnis

Asks for clarification.

092

Sen. Morrisette

Clarifies if pass SB 745 does it come under unfunded mandate category.

094

Minnis

Responds no; elaborates school districts and collective bargaining agreements would govern.

103

Sen. Morrisette

Comments cost of education includes teacher salary. States rule requiring masterís degree would elevate individuals to a higher level which in turn would cost district more money with local and state funding. Adds need state connection in this legislation.

116

Minnis

Feels there is a state connection; elaborates further . Expresses concern with legislative assembly responsible for bulk of funding of education plays a conscious role in decision-making process as it relates to fiscal issues.

124

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if see state legislature acting in role of super school board.

127

Minnis

Responds when spend over $250,000 then owe responsibility to constituent groups.

135

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if see this as unintended consequence of the cost incurred.

138

Minnis

Responds it would be as if appointed board voting on a rule that has fiscal impact that members of legislature have to fund without playing a role in saying yes or no to the rule.

147

Vickie Chamberlain

Executive Director, Teachers Standards and Practices Committee. Testifies in opposition of SB 745. Provides personal experience. States 75% of Oregon graduates graduate with masters degree and 60% of new people licensed from out of state do not come from Oregon institutions each year. Comments with No Child Left Behind (NCLB) have to report all teachers degree. Says school report cards report 45% Oregon teachers have masterís degrees prior to full implementation of new licensure.

201

Chair Starr

Clarifies degree program established to provide content area with bachelorís degree and fulfillment of masterís degree.

205

Chamberlain

Responds in public university.

209

Chair Starr

Asks about relation between short content area teachers in the classroom and getting content with a bachelorís degree.

215

Chamberlain

Responds does not believe that information applies to Oregon. Feels masterís degree cost to school districts has been concern. Comments would like to come back with credible information on issue. Discusses inquiring about costs with School Board Association and the need for doing a reliable study on true costs.

261

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if there is a House bill delaying implementation of masterís requirement.

266

Chamberlain

Responds yes; elaborates on description of the House bill.

278

Sen. Deckert

Refers to Ms. Chamberlainís personal example.

286

Chamberlain

States requirement is only for new licensees. Feels it is unreasonable to set time lines.

303

Chair Starr

Asks how statute lines up with NCLB and requirements of legislation.

315

Chamberlain

Responds eliminating masterís would cause problems but would not stop people; elaborates further.

324

Sen. Morrisette

Clarifies not going to prohibiting anything.

329

Chamberlain

Responds no. Concerned with fiscal impact of a dollar requirement in SB 745. Adds difficult to say any rule has no fiscal impact. States 95% of teachers pay for their own education.

344

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if SB 745 would have an impact on the administration program.

347

Chamberlain

Discusses meaning of SB 745.

375

Chair Starr

Feels issue is important and need to be aware of it.

385

Minnis

Concerned with previous discussion that if someone were teaching and did not have a masterís degree then it would not be required for them to go back to get a masterís degree.

394

Chamberlain

Responds masterís degree full requirement will not kick in under the rules for two years and people have six years to get a masterís degree.

409

Minnis

Feels SB 745 should have been more broadly defined.

430

Sen. Morrisette

Asks whether aware of Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC) rule-making process and huge fiscal impact it has.

433

Minnis

Responds yes.

437

Sen. Morrisette

Feels idea is a good one. Asks cost of doing study on fiscal impact.

444

Minnis

Feels legislative fiscal should play a role in the interim looking at the issues. Adds conforming rules and minimizing fiscal impact to the state should be connected.

TAPE 55, A

005

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 745 and opens a public hearing on SB 581.

SB 581 Ė PUBLIC HEARING

014

Avel Gordley

Oregon State Senator. Testifies in favor of SB 581. Submits written testimony and material (EXHIBITS B, C).

155

Sen. Morrisette

Asks to what extent is this a local school board assignment problem. And is it also a district problem.

170

Gordley

Responds it is a related issue. Comments there are barriers to try to get most effective teachers in class where most needed.

177

Sen. Morrisette

Comments not aware it was a contract issue but apparently it is in Portland..

182

Gordley

States mission is for all teachers wishing to achieve certification will meet highest possible standards.

191

Chair Starr

Expresses appreciation for the issue being brought forward. Comments it is an issue of having right program with properly trained instructors so children gain knowledge and not left behind. Asks if SB 581 is right thing to do with the modification.

224

Vickie Chamberlain

Executive Director, Teachers Standards and Practices Commission. Feels time has come for SB 581. States federal law says districts cannot assign reading problems and low income students to least experienced teachers. Provides an example. Expresses interest in looking at federal grants that are revising reading programs in institutions. Comments fiscal impact can be somewhat absorbed because will look at requirements for teachers. Adds also need to look at cultural competency issue. Suggests reporting back on what was found.

267

Sen. Morrisette

Comment inaudible.

272

Chamberlain

States some elementary schools who have redesigned to have most experienced teachers hardest to learn students which means possible to do something within contract.

292

Chair Starr

Comments no amendment is available yet.

297

Gordley

Comments will work with Vicki Chamberlain will get together to have language for the amendment.

303

Chair Starr

Closes the public hearing on SB 581 and adjourns the meeting at 4:54 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A Ė SB 761, additional testimony for the record, Rick Grimm, 2 pp

B Ė SB 581, written testimony, Senator Avel Gordley, 3 pp

C Ė SB 581, written material on Thinking K-16, Avel Gordley, 14 pp