SENATE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT
June 11, 2003 Hearing
Room B
3:00 PM Tapes
62-63
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Tony Corcoran, Chair
Sen. John Minnis, Vice-Chair
Sen. Bruce Starr
MEMBERS EXCUSED: Sen. Vicki Walker
STAFF PRESENT: Mark Ellsworth, Committee
Administrator
Heather Gravelle, Committee
Assistant
MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD HB 3020 A Public Hearing and Work Session
HB 2739 A Public
Hearing and Work Session
HB 2237 A Public
Hearing and Work Session
HB 2304 A Public
Hearing and Work Session
SB 763 Public Hearing and Work Session
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TAPE 62, A |
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005 |
Chair Corcoran |
Calls the meeting to order at 3:05 p.m. Opens a
public hearing on HB 3020 A. |
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HB 3020
A PUBLIC HEARING |
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010 |
BethAnne Darby |
Represents the Oregon Education Association and PERS
Coalition. Testifies as a neutral on HB 3020 A, with the -A11 amendments.
Presents the -A11 amendments dated 6/11/03 (EXHIBIT A). |
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025 |
Dave Hendricks |
Testifies as a neutral party on HB 3020 A explaining
the -A13 amendments. Discusses the intent and the changes in the -A13
amendments. Presents the -A13 amendments dated 6/11/03 (EXHIBIT B). |
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075 |
Chair Corcoran |
Commends Mr. Hendricks for his hard work. |
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085 |
Hendricks |
Discusses changes: Notes changes in relation with
238.255 addresses deficit account and PERS Board wants it to be clear as to
what the changes are and how the process will proceed. Refers to page 4, line
11. States a provision was added to limit the earnings not applied to judges.
Explains this means Judge members accounts will earn 8% guaranteed under
existing law. Adds new judges will be phased out from application of
provision. |
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110 |
Hendricks |
Continues explaining -A13 amendments. Refers to section
12, page 5 which is a minimum account balance of 2003. Claims person will get
at least what their account earned. Discusses two changes made:
Clarifies if the Board was required to do that, it
would be charged back to the deficit account for 8% guarantee. |
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135 |
Hendricks |
Discusses how to establish what there would have
been with the 11% versus the 20% indicating the section doesnt apply to
judge members but to alternate payees and beneficiaries. Categorizes the
types of changes:
Miscellaneous items set up at the end of the
amendments. |
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210 |
Chair Corcoran |
Asks for clarification on the A7 amendments. |
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215 |
Hendricks |
Explains the purpose of the A7 amendments. Presents
the -A7 amendments dated 6/6/03 (EXHIBIT
C). |
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220 |
Grattan Kerans |
Oregon University System (OUS). Explains the A5 amendments
pertaining to optional retirement program of the OUS. Explains reason for advancing
the amendments. Provides background information as to how they reached the
conclusion they did. Submits written testimony & presents -A5 amendments
dated 6/5/03 (EXHIBITS D &E). |
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280 |
Kerans |
Notes the portable defined benefit option retirement
plan has been significant. Expresses concern with what will happen in 12, 18
or 24 months. Claims not wanting to be tied to a rate which is not comparable
to what the Board would want or tied to a rate that is no longer operative. Points
out the object is to provide for a decoupling of that rate, allowing the
State Board to set that rate and allow for those in the subject class to move
over if they wish during an open window period. |
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290 |
Chair Corcoran |
Asks if this applies only to faculty. |
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302 |
Kerans |
Responds it applies to everyone outside the
classified staff. Claims trying to soak up as many vacancies and create a
smaller workforce as possible. |
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330 |
Mark Nelson |
Association of Oregon Faculties. Testifies in opposition
to the A5 amendments. Discusses how the Optional Retirement System process
works. Notes the main objection is the setting of the rate by the State Board
of Higher Education. Believes the rate is set properly in statute. Feels the
contribution rate should be the same for faculty. |
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380 |
Nelson |
Feels the time allotted is not enough. Believes the rate
should stay in statute without the State Board setting the rate and it will
go up or down as the legislation moves onward. |
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390 |
Marie Keltner |
Representing League of Oregon Cities and Association
of Oregon Counties. Testifies in opposition to the -A6 amendments. Claims it
will increase the cost to the employers who have equal or greater than plans.
Explains how the process works. Expresses concerns with charge every two
years when no change and additional cost involved affecting ten entities. Presents the -A6 amendments dated 6/5/03 (EXHIBIT F). |
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TAPE 63, A |
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Sen. Minnis |
Comments it has been a long time since PERS did an
evaluation of equal or better than category. Discusses a personal experience
in the Sheriffs Office. Notes importance of balancing the PERS system now. |
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025 |
Chair Corcoran |
Summarizes a memo regarding the PERS issue. Points
out Senator Minnis requested Mr. Voytko give his best estimate of the employer
rates. States if the courts overturn any pieces of the puzzle, the employers
rates would rise. Notes the agency would recommend to PERS inquiry instituted
on normal pension plan set in the normal increase schedule at the beginning
of 2005-2007 biennium. |
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Hendricks |
Refers to the -6 amendments on page 2, line 2, needing
a form and style change from shall to may. Claims it is a better solution
to insert is and strike may. |
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The following prepared testimony submitted
for the record without public testimony for HB 3020 A: Jim
Voytko Submits written
testimony (EXHIBIT M) PERS
Coalition Submits written
testimony (EXHIBIT N) |
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HB 3020
A WORK SESSION |
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070 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose
of a conceptual amendment to the-A6 amendments to HB 3020 A. |
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VOTE: 4-0 |
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075 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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080 |
Sen. Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to
conceptually amend the A6 amendments to HB 3020 A: page 2, line 2, strike
the word will and replace with is. |
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VOTE: 3-0 EXCUSED 1 Sen. Walker |
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090 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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095 |
Hendricks |
Clarifies another change needed in the amendment. |
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100 |
Sen. Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to SUSPEND the rules for
the purpose of second conceptual amendment to the A6 amendments to HB 3020
A. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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110 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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115 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to conceptually amend
the A6 amendments to HB 3020 A: page 2, line 2 strike the word be. |
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VOTE: 3-0 EXCUSED 1 Sen. Walker |
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120 |
Chair
Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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125 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the -A6 amendments to HB 3020 A, dated 6/5/03 AS
CONCEPTUALLY AMENDED. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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130 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the -A7 amendments to HB 3020 A, dated 6/6/03. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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135 |
Sen. Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the -A11 amendments to HB 3020 A, dated 6/11/03. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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140 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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145 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the-A13 amendments to HB 3020 A, dated 6/11/03. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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155 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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160 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves HB 3020 A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED
recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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162 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing not objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. CHAIR CORCORAN will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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165 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the work session on HB 3020 A and opens a
public hearing on HB 2739 A. |
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HB 2739
A PUBLIC HEARING |
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170 |
George Gilman |
Oregon State Representative, District 55. Testifies in
support of HB 2739 A. Presents the -A4 amendments dated 6/2/03 & -A5 amendments
dated 6/11/03 (EXHIBITS G & H). |
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175 |
Jeannette Holman |
Assistant Director, Division of State Lands. Testifies
in support of HB 2739 A. Explains purpose of the A5 amendments. |
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180 |
Doug
Tindall |
State
Maintenance Engineer, Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Expresses
primary interest in the bill is section 2. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I). |
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185 |
Chair
Corcoran |
Closes
the public hearing on HB 2739 A and opens a work session on HB 2739 A. |
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HB 2739
A WORK SESSION |
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the-A4 amendments to HB 2739, dated 6/2/03. |
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VOTE: 3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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200 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the A5 amendments to HB
2739 A, dated 6/11/03. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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202 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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205 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves HB 2739 A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED
recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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210 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. SEN. STARR will lead discussion on the
floor. |
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215 |
Sen. Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which HB 2739 A was sent to the
floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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225 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves HB 2739 A to the Committee on Ways and Means with a DO
PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1- Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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235 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the work session on HB 2739 A and opens a
public hearing on HB 2237 A. |
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HB 2237
A PUBLIC HEARING |
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235 |
Mark Ellsworth |
Committee Administrator. Provides overview of HB
2237 A Presents the -A5 amendments dated 5/29/03 (EXHIBIT J). |
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245 |
Maria Keltner |
League of Oregon Cities and Association of Oregon
Counties. Comments previously testified in opposition of SB 445 and SB 446
which are what the -A5 amendments are. Points out still in opposition of HB
2739 A. |
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285 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2237 A and opens a
work session on HB 2237 A. |
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HB 2237
A WORK SESSION |
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290 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks what the status of SB 445 and 446 is. |
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295 |
Chair Corcoran |
Responds both bill are in the Committee on House
Rules. |
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320 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the-A5 amendments to HB 2237 A, dated 5/29/03. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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325 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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335 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves HB 2237 A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED
recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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345 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion
CARRIED. SEN. MINNIS will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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348 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the work session on HB 2237 A and opens a public
hearing on HB 2304 A. |
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HB 2304
A PUBLIC HEARING |
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353 |
Mark Ellsworth |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB
2304 A. |
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358 |
Bill Penhollow |
Association of Oregon Counties. Representing Oregon
Telecommunications Coordinating Counsel. Explains the intent of the HB 2304
A. Comments the bill would provide a policy encouraging the state and local
governments to work together on emergency preparedness and ensure the system
in place is workable. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K). |
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TAPE 62, B |
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Chair Corcoran |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2304 A and opens a
work session on HB 2304 A. |
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The
following prepared testimony submitted for the record without public
testimony for HB 2304 A: Ann Steeves Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT O). |
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HB 2304
A WORK SESSION |
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Sen. Starr
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MOTION: Moves HB 2304 A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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010 |
Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. CHAIR CORCORAN will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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015 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the work session on HB 2304 A and opens a public
hearing on SB 763. |
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SB 763
PUBLIC HEARING |
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025 |
Sen. Starr |
Explains the intent of SB 763 with -6 amendments.
States almost everyone is in agreement with the language at this point.
Presents SB 736-6 amendments dated 6/11/03 (EXHIBIT L). |
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030 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the public hearing on SB 763 and opens a work
session on SB 763. |
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SB 763
WORK SESSION |
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035 |
Sen. Minnis |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT the -6 amendments
to SB 763, dated 6/11/03. |
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040 |
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VOTE:
3-0 |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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045 |
Sen.
Minnis |
MOTION: Moves SB 763 to the floor with a DO PASS
AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE:
3-0 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Walker |
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Chair Corcoran |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. SEN. STARR will lead discussion on the
floor. |
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055 |
Chair Corcoran |
Closes the work session on
SB 763 and adjourns the meeting at 5:00 p.m. |
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EXHIBIT
SUMMARY
A
HB 3020 A, -A11 amendments dated 6/11/03, Staff, 7 pp
B
HB 3020 A, -A13 amendments dated 6/11/03, Staff, 35 pp
C
HB 3020 A, -A7 amendments dated 6/6/03, Dave Hendricks, 3 pp
D
HB 3020 A, written testimony, Grattan Kerans, 3 pp
E
HB 3020 A, -A5 amendments dated 6/5/03, Grattan Kerans, 5 pp
F
HB 3020 A, A6 amendments dated 6/5/03, Maria Keltner, 2 pp
G
HB 2739 A, -A4 amendments dated 6/2/03, Rep. George Gilman, 3 pp
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HB 2739 A, -A5 amendments dated 6/11/03, Rep. George Gilman, 1 p
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HB 2739 A, written testimony, Doug Tindall, 1 p
J
HB 2237 A, -A5 amendments dated 5/29/03, Staff, 7 pp
K
HB 2304 A, written testimony, Bill Penhollow, 1 p
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SB 763, -6 amendments dated 6/11/03, Staff, 5 pp
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following exhibits are listed out of order in the body of the tape log:
M
HB 3020 A, written testimony, Jim Voytko, 2 pp
N
HB 3020 A, written testimony, PERS Coalition, 58 pp
O
HB 2304 A, written testimony, Ann Steeves, 2 pp