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PUBLIC HEARING: HB 2188 |
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WORK SESSION: HB 2197 A |
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TAPES 126-127,
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May 22,
2003 1:00 PM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING
Members Present: Senator Ryan Deckert, Chair
Senator Ted
Ferrioli, Vice Chair
Senator
Tony Corcoran
Senator
Lenn Hannon
Senator
Charlie Ringo
Senator
Bruce Starr
Witnesses Present: Clint Bentz, Small Woodland Owner
Link
Cannon, Oregon Forest Industries Council
Kristina
McNitt, Oregon Small Woodlands Association
Norm
Miller, Department of Revenue
Staff Present: Paul
Warner, Legislative Revenue Office
Richard
Yates, Legislative Revenue Office
Tara
Lantz, Committee Assistant
TAPE
126, SIDE A
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Chair Deckert |
Calls meeting to order at 1:14 pm. |
OPENS WORK SESSION ON HB
2197 A
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Richard Yates |
Explains HB 2197 A which establishes
an optional small tract forestland program. Discusses the proposed –A6
amendments (Exhibit 2) and –A7 amendments (Exhibit 3). |
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104 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks how the revenue impact numbers
were determined and whether the bill could be crafted to not have a negative
revenue impact. |
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115 |
Yates |
States that small wood lot owners
argue that the bill is revenue neutral, but that he used his own assumptions
about the behavior of the wood lot owners to determine the revenue impact.
Explains that by raising the harvest tax up to cover costs, the incentive to
enter the program is lost. |
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134 |
Sen. Ringo |
Expresses concern over the negative
fiscal impact. |
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142 |
Yates |
Responds that if everyone eligible
opted into the program it would raise revenue. |
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155 |
Clint Bentz |
States that this program would allow
land owners to control when they pay property taxes and that he is optimistic
that most land owners would opt into the program even though they would end
up paying more. |
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Sen. Ringo |
Asks what could have been changed to
make the bill revenue neutral. |
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202 |
Bentz |
Responds that the assumption was
that anyone harvesting within the next five years will not opt in, but points
out that most land owners don’t harvest every year. Discussion follows. |
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220 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Points out that this bill comes
after five years of work and that it has been well thought out. Expresses
concern over not letting people opt in and opt out but expresses support for
the amendments if it will allow the program to happen. |
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262 |
Sen. Hannon |
Asks if the –A5 and –A6 are
consistent with each other. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Responds negatively. |
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268 |
Sen. Hannon |
Asks which amendment is preferred. |
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Bentz |
Responds that the –A6 amendments are
preferred and explains the reasoning. Discusses concerns that could be
addressed in the future. |
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Link Cannon |
Discusses the reasoning for the –A7
amendments. |
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324 |
Sen. Deckert |
States that the problem with the –A5
amendments is that they don’t allow for the transfer of property. |
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Kristina McNitt |
Offers support
for the bill and the amendments. |
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340 |
Sen. Hannon |
MOTION: MOVES
HB 2197-A6 AMENDMENTS DATED 5/22/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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345 |
Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL
CALL VOTE: MOTION PASSES: 5-0-1. SENATORS
ANWERING AYE: HANNON, RINGO, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS
EXCUSED: CORCORAN. |
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349 |
Sen. Hannon |
MOTION: MOVES
HB 2197-A7 AMENDMENTS DATED 5/22/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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353 |
Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: HEARING
NO OBJECTION, MOTION PASSES. SENATORS
EXCUSED: CORCORAN. |
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356 |
Sen. Hannon |
MOTION: MOVES
HB 2197 A TO THE SENATE FLOOR WITH A DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION. |
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Sen. Ringo |
States that he
is a no because of the negative fiscal impact. |
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368 |
Sen. Deckert |
Points out that
the Governor has built the fiscal impact into the budget. |
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Sen. Hannon |
States that
this is an important bill to promote the reforestation of the state. |
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382 |
Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL
CALL VOTE: MOTION PASSES: 4-1-1. SENATORS
ANSWERING AYE: HANNON, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS
ANSWERING NO: RINGO. SENATORS
EXCUSED: CORCORAN. Sen. Ferrioli
will carry the bill on the Senate Floor. |
OPENS PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
2188
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Yates |
Explains HB 2188, which cleans up
statutes made obsolete by Legislation in 2001 (Exhibit 4), and explains conflicts
with the bill that need to be fixed. |
TAPE 127, SIDE A
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Sen. Deckert |
Asks if they will need to hold the
bill until they see what happens to HB 2197. |
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Yates |
Responds affirmatively. |
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Norm Miller |
Testifies in support of HB 2188
because it eliminates unnecessary work for the Department of Revenue and
taxpayers. Refer to written testimony (Exhibit 6). |
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Sen. Ringo |
Asks if this bill saves 2 full time
employees. |
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Miller |
Responds affirmatively. |
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Clint Bentz |
Offers support for HB 2188. |
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Sen. Hannon |
Asks if they want to hold off HB
2188 until HB 2197 passes. |
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Miller |
Responds affirmatively. |
CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
2188
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Sen. Deckert |
Adjourns meeting at 1:47 pm. |
Tape Log Submitted by,
Tara Lantz, Committee
Assistant
Exhibit Summary: