PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK SESSION: HB 2152

 

TAPES 170, A

 

SENATE REVENUE COMMITTEE

August 18, 2003 2:00 PM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING

 

Members Present: Senator Ryan Deckert, Chair

Senator Ted Ferrioli, Vice Chair

Senator Peter Courtney

Senator Rick Metsger

Senator David Nelson

Senator Charlie Ringo

Senator Bruce Starr

 

Members Excused: Senator Tony Corcoran

Senator Lenn Hannon

 

Witnesses Present: Jim Carlson, Oregon Health Care Association

Lynn Read, Department of Human Services

Kelly Knivila, Department of Justice

Rudy Haughton, CareOregon

Mike Dewey, ODS Health Plans

Dave Fiskum, Providence Health System

 

Staff Present: Paul Warner, Legislative Revenue Office

Dick Yates, Legislative Revenue Office

Tara Lantz, Committee Assistant

 

TAPE 170, SIDE A

 

004

Chair Deckert

Calls meeting to order at 4:21 pm.

 

OPENS PUBLIC HEARING ON HB 2152

 

006

Sen. Deckert

States that there is a A19 amendment (Exhibit 1) and a A20 amendment (Exhibit 2).

 

 

 

012

Sen. Ferrioli

Serves notice that he will be invoking SR 8.75 which speaks to the issue of germaneness.

 

 

 

057

Jim Carlson

Discusses the A20 amendments which deal with the nursing facility provider tax. Refer to Major Components of A9 Amendments (Exhibit 5).

 

 

 

089

Sen. Ferrioli

Points out that the -A20 amendments faces the same question of germaneness.

 

 

 

095

Paul Warner

Points out that the PACE section is not in the A20 amendment.

 

 

 

098

Carlson

Responds that the Providence Elder Place section is not in the A20 and that he was not informed of that until just now. Asks if it is because of a potential for a fully capitated healthcare amendment later.

 

 

 

105

Warner

Replies that he was just told by Counsel to make sure they knew the section wasnt in the amendment because Carlson included them in the summary.

 

 

 

110

Sen. Deckert

States that the amendments should have stayed constant throughout and that he assumes these are okay with everyone.

 

 

 

114

Carlson

Responds that he had intended that the amendments stay constant and that he assumes it is something that is caught up in the discussion of the F-chip.

 

 

 

120

Lynn Read

Testifies that the A20 amendments would do an assessment on the Medicaid managed plans that would apply to premiums. States that it is approximated that the plan would generate $34 million that can be matched with federal dollars and would be available for other program purposes.

 

 

 

145

Kelly Knivila

Testifies that the -20 amendments meet the federal requirement to obtain the federal matching funds.

 

 

 

160

Rudy Haughton

Testifies in support of the A20 amendments because it is essential to keep providing a service that is needed for their clients.

 

 

 

176

Mike Dewey

Testifies in support of the A20 amendments and suggests that there is something put in statute that directs the money to fund services for people that actually pay the tax.

 

 

 

220

Sen. Deckert

States that the PACE omission is being discussed and as soon as the complication is resolved they will be ready to go.

 

 

 

230

Sen. Deckert

RECESSES MEETING AT 4:39 PM.

 

 

 

231

Sen. Deckert

REOPENS MEETING AT 4:57 PM.

 

 

 

240

Carlson

Testifies that the decision has been made to go with the A20 language, but expresses concern that there may need to be technical changes made later.

 

 

 

248

Dave Fiskum

Discusses the A20 amendments and the problems that may arise and appreciates that the chair is willing to address those problems at a later time.

 

 

 

282

Sen. Ferrioli

Suggests that an easy way to fix this would be in a conference committee.

 

CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING ON HB 2152

 

OPENS WORK SESSION ON HB 2152

 

303

Sen. Metsger

Asks about the estimated revenues from the personal income tax assessment.

 

 

 

305

Warner

Responds that the surcharge is for a 3 year period and that $545 would come in this biennium and then about $152 in the 07 biennium.

 

 

 

329

Sen. Ferrioli

States that the A19 and A20 amendments are not germane to the subject of HB 2152 and would take an action that is not constitutional. Declares that he will invoke Senate Rule 8.75 and ask for a decision to be made on the germaneness of the amendment.

 

 

 

373

Sen. Ringo

MOTION: MOVES HB 2152-A19 AMENDMENTS DATED 8/18/03 BE ADOPTED.

 

 

 

378

Sen. Deckert

ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION PASSES: 5-2-2.

SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: COURTNEY, METSGER, NELSON, RINGO, DECKERT.

SENATORS ANSWERING NO: STARR, FERRIOLI.

SENATORS EXCUSED: CORCORAN, HANNON.

 

 

 

385

Sen. Ringo

MOTION: MOVES HB 2152-A20 AMENDMENTS DATED 8/18/03 BE ADOPTED.

 

 

 

390

Sen. Deckert

ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION PASSES: 5-2-2.

SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: COURTNEY, METSGER, NELSON, RINGO, DECKERT.

SENATORS ANSWERING NO: STARR, FERRIOLI.

SENATORS EXCUSED: CORCORAN, HANNON.

 

 

 

395

Sen. Ringo

MOTION: MOVES HB 2152 TO THE SENATE FLOOR WITH A DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION.

 

402

Sen. Metsger

Notes that this is a compilation of hard work from a lot of members and that without this bill they cannot fund schools and public services to the level that Oregonians want.

 

 

 

450

Sen. Deckert

ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION PASSES: 5-2-2.

SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: COURTNEY, METSGER, NELSON, RINGO, DECKERT.

SENATORS ANSWERING NO: STARR, FERRIOLI.

SENATORS EXCUSED: CORCORAN, HANNON.

Sen. Deckert will carry the bill on the Senate Floor.

 

464

Sen. Deckert

Adjourns meeting at 5:10 pm.

 

 

 

Tape Log Submitted by,

 

 

 

Tara Lantz, Committee Assistant

 

Exhibit Summary:

  1. HB 2152, Sen. Deckert, Proposed HB 2152-A19 Amendments, 39pp.
  2. HB 2152, Sen. Deckert, Proposed HB 2152-A20 Amendments, 5pp.
  3. HB 2152, Paul Warner, Major Components of HB 2152 and A19 Amendments, 3pp.
  4. HB 2152, Paul Warner, Major Components of HB 2152 and A20 Amendments, 2pp.
  5. HB 2152, Jim Carlson, Major Components of the A9 Amendments, 7pp.