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PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK SESSION: HB 3183 A, HB 2747 B |
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TAPES 176-177,
A-B |
August 25,
2003 2:00 PM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING
Members Present: Senator Ryan Deckert, Chair
Senator
Ted Ferrioli, Vice Chair
Senator Tony Corcoran
Senator
Lenn Hannon
Senator
Rick Metsger
Senator
David Nelson
Senator
Charlie Ringo
Senator
Bruce Starr
Witnesses Present: Marcia Kelley, League of Women
Voters
Bruce
Bishop, Oregon Association of Hospitals and Health Systems
Gwen
Dayton, Oregon Association of Hospitals and Health Systems
Erinn
Kelley-Siel, Governor’s Office
Lynn
Read, Department of Human Services
Staff Present: Paul
Warner, Legislative Revenue Office
Lizbeth
Martin-Mahar, Legislative Revenue Office
Tara
Lantz, Committee Assistant
TAPE
176, SIDE A
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Chair Deckert |
Calls meeting to order at 2:27 pm. |
OPENS PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
3183 A
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Lizbeth Martin-Mahar |
Explains the -A14 amendment, which
modifies the single sales corporate apportionment formula and increases the
maximum payroll tax rate for mass transit districts (Exhibit 1), and
discusses the revenue impact (Exhibit 2). Discusses the modified singles
sales factor apportionment and the impact on different industries (Exhibit
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Sen. Corcoran |
Asks for clarification on the
winners and losers under the single sales apportionment formula. |
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Martin-Mahar |
Responds that it is the companies
that don’t have the property and payroll in Oregon that end up paying more.
Explains the -A15 amendment, which includes the research and development
credit (Exhibit 4), and discusses the revenue impact (Exhibit 5). |
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Sen. Metsger |
Asks for clarification on the net
change in revenue. Discussion follows. |
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Marcia Kelley |
Testifies in opposition to HB 3183 A
because tax credits that go into effect in future biennia should not be
passed until tax reform has been addressed. |
CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
3183 A
OPENS PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
2747 B
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Bruce Bishop |
Testifies in support of the –B15
amendments (Exhibit 6), which creates a hospital provider tax, because it
will allow the same providers to access to federal funds to maintain the
Oregon Health Plan. |
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232 |
Sen. Metsger |
Asks about the advantages for this
legislation. |
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Bishop |
Responds that it is not only an
appropriate step for health policy reasons and fiscal reasons but most
importantly for the healthcare needs of low-income Oregonians. |
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263 |
Sen. Deckert |
Asks for a dollar figure associated
with the federal funds that this would bring in. |
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Bishop |
Gives an estimate of $77 million in
state resources and $115-$120 million in federal resources. |
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280 |
Sen. Deckert |
Asks what the mechanics are for assessing
the hospital tax. |
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Dayton |
Responds that hospitals will be
asked to complete a form that gives the Department the information they need
to determine the amount of the assessment. |
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Sen. Nelson |
Asks if this money is on top of the
$275 million that was in the Human Resources budget. |
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Bishop |
Responds affirmatively and explains
that the Human Services budget did not include a hospital benefit. |
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Sen. Nelson |
Asks if there is any provision in
the bill to help health clinics in rural areas. |
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Bishop |
Responds that this bill is targeted
to hospital care. |
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Sen. Nelson |
Asks if there has been any
discussion on the inclusion of other health care providers. |
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Bishop |
Responds that the funds that are
available here will go for the purposes of hospital payments. |
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Sen. Starr |
Clarifies that this would allow
hospitals to tax themselves in order to receive federal funds. |
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Bishop |
Agrees with Sen. Starr. |
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Erinn Kelley-Siel |
Testifies in support of the –B15
amendments because it will generate approximately $57 million in state
resources to increase capitation rates for Medicaid managed care
organizations and to provide an emergency hospital benefit to the Oregon
Health Plan standard population. Discusses the hospital assessment. |
TAPE 177, SIDE A
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Sen. Nelson |
Asks if the rural providers would
qualify for funds. |
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Lynn Read |
Responds that it would benefit any clinic
where someone that was otherwise uninsured could access care. |
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Sen. Nelson |
States that health care is an integrated
system and it seems like everyone would benefit. Asks about the language
change in this bill. |
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Martin-Mahar |
Responds that it is the language in
the original version on the House that didn’t get incorporated into HB 2152. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Asks how the PACE got deleted from
HB 2152. |
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Kelley-Siel |
Responds that the PACE program is a
hybrid program and it isn’t sure how the federal government will view it. |
CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING ON HB
2747 B
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Sen. Deckert |
RECESSES UNTIL 4:00 PM |
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Sen. Deckert |
REOPENS MEETING AT 4:44 PM |
OPENS WORK SESSION ON HB
3183 A
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES HB 3138-A15 AMENDMENTS
DATED 8/25/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 5-0-3. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: METSGER,
RINGO, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS EXCUSED: CORCORAN, HANNON,
NELSON. |
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES HB 3183A TO THE SENATE
FLOOR WITH A DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION. |
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Sen. Ringo |
Clarifies that the amendment adopted
includes the R&D credit, the single sales factor apportionment, and the
mass transit payroll tax increase. Discussion follows. |
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Sen. Metsger |
States that this is a reasonable
package and that the mass transit portion is a huge opportunity. Discusses
the single sales apportionment and the R&D credit and states that they
are much more responsible in this version. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 6-0-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: METSGER,
NELSON, RINGO, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS EXCUSED: CORCORAN, HANNON. Sen. Deckert will carry the bill on
the Senate Floor. |
OPENS WORK SESSION ON HB
2747 B
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Martin-Mahar |
Reviews the -15 amendments (Exhibit
6) and discusses the revenue impact (Exhibit 7). Discusses the -16 amendments
(Exhibit 8) and discusses the revenue impact (Exhibit 9). Discusses current
and law and recent changes in federal estate tax law (Exhibit 10) and gives
estate examples (Exhibit 11). |
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Martin-Mahar |
Explains the –B20 amendments
(Exhibit 12) which are the same as SB 313 and provides a $2 million credit.
Explains the –B18 amendments (Exhibit 13). |
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Debra Buchanan |
Testifies that there needs to be a
fix to the estate tax. Gives history of the estate tax in Oregon. |
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Sen. Corcoran |
Asks Mr. Sheketoff to speak on the
estate tax. |
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Chuck Sheketoff |
Agrees with the Department of
Revenue that the statute needs to be cleaned up but disagrees that they need
to connect to 2002 federal law. |
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Sen. Corcoran |
Asks if the fix for the Department
of Revenue is contained with the hospital piece. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Responds that they are separate
amendments. |
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Sen. Corcoran |
Asks if this will hurt or help. |
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Sheketoff |
Responds that he does not know what
it will do for the future but that it would get rid of the uncertainty. |
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Buchanan |
Responds that it will fix the prior
years. |
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Sen. Corcoran |
Asks if they have to tie in with the
federal government. |
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Buchanan |
Responds that the federal exclusion
amount is increasing to $3.5 million and the amendment is capped at $1.5
million. Discussion follows. |
TAPE 176, SIDE B
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Veronica Rinard |
Testifies in support of the –B20
amendments, which are the same as SB 313, but don’t have a revenue impact
until the next biennium. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Asks if the House chair is okay with
the amendments. |
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Rinard |
Responds affirmatively. |
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Howard Lavine |
Testifies that the Governor strongly
supports the amendment. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Asks if they will still be able to
draw films to Oregon even though the credit won’t begin until 2005. |
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Lavine |
Responds that they will have to use
other mechanisms such as reserve funds until then. |
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Rinard |
Discusses film that was brought to
Oregon using a method similar to the credit program and states that having
that to use in the future is a marketing tool. |
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Sen. Deckert |
States that the –B15, –B16, -B18,
and –B20 amendments are in play. |
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Sen. Ferrioli |
States that they would move the –B17
amendments if he wants to. |
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Sen. Deckert |
Responds that he wants to but he
doesn’t want to decrease the chance of passage of the bill. |
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES HB 2747-B15 AMENDMENTS
DATED 8/23/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 6-0-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: CORCORAN,
METSGER, NELSON, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS EXCUSED: HANNON, RINGO. |
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES HB 2747-B16 AMENDMENTS
DATED 8/25/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 5-1-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: CORCORAN,
METSGER, NELSON, STARR, DECKERT. SENATOR ANSWERING NO: FERRIOLI. SENATORS EXCUSED: HANNON, RINGO. |
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Sen. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES HB 2747-B20 AMENDMENTS
DATED 8/25/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 5-1-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: CORCORAN,
METSGER, NELSON, STARR, DECKERT. SENATOR ANSWERING NO: FERRIOLI. SENATORS EXCUSED: HANNON, RINGO. |
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Sen. Ferrioli |
MOTION: MOVES HB 2747-B18 AMENDMENTS
DATED 8/25/03 BE ADOPTED. |
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Sen. Starr |
States that he did not vote for HB
2152 but he will support this because it is just a technical change. |
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Sen. Ferrioli |
States that he also did not support
HB 2152 but will support this. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 6-0-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: CORCORAN,
METSGER, NELSON, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS EXCUSED: HANNON, RINGO. |
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Sen. Corcoran |
MOTION: MOVES HB 2747 TO THE SENATE
FLOOR WITH A DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION. |
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Sen. Deckert |
ORDER: ROLL CALL VOTE: MOTION
PASSES: 6-0-2. SENATORS ANSWERING AYE: CORCORAN,
METSGER, NELSON, STARR, FERRIOLI, DECKERT. SENATORS EXCUSED: HANNON, RINGO. Sen. Winters will carry the bill on
the Senate Floor. |
CLOSES WORK SESSION ON HB
2747 B
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Sen. Deckert |
Adjourns meeting at 5:17 pm. |
Tape Log Submitted by,
Tara Lantz, Committee
Assistant
Exhibit Summary:
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