SENATE COMMITTEE ON RULES

 

 

May 29, 2003                                                                                                          Hearing Room B

3:00 PM                                                                                                                       Tapes  57 - 58

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen.  Bev Clarno, Co-chair, Presiding

Sen. Kate Brown, Co-chair

Sen.  Jason Atkinson Vice-chair

Sen. Ginny Burdick Vice-chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Tony Corcoran

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Jim Stembridge, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:           Work Session

      Approval of legislative concept for drafting and introduction

HB 2763 – Reconsideration and Work Session

HB 2575A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2817A – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 57, A

005

Co-chair Clarno

Calls the meeting to order at 3:08 p.m.  Opens a work session on approval of legislative concepts for drafting and introduction.

WORK SESSION

010

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves the Sine Die resolution BE APPROVED FOR DRAFTING by Legislative Counsel and BE INTRODUCED as a committee bill.

015

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Corcoran

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

020

Co-chair Clarno

Closes work session on measure drafting and introduction.  Opens work session for possible reconsideration of HB 2763.

HB 2763 – WORK SESSION

025

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which the committee moved HB 2763 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION.

030

 

Committee discussion of procedure.

035

Co-chair Clarno

Recesses the committee at 3:10 p.m.

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RECESS         **************************

037

Co-chair Clarno

Reconvenes the committee at 3:12 p.m.  Requests Secretary of Senate to appear and clarify point of order.

045

Jim Stembridge

Committee Administrator.  Presents overview of reasons for reconsideration for HB 2763, which sets filing fees for including candidate portrait and statement in county voters’ pamphlet.  Discusses -2 amendments dated 5-27-03. (EXHIBIT A).

075

Sen. Brown

Revises her previous motion.

080

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of RECONSIDERING the vote by which the committee moved HB 2763 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION.

 

 

VOTE:  6-0

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

090

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which the committee moved HB 2763 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED RECOMMENDATION.

 

 

VOTE:  6-0

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

100

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2763-2 amendments dated 5/27/03.

 

 

VOTE:  6-0

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

105

Sen. Brown

MOTION:  Moves HB 2763 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

110

Sen. Burdick

Clarifies that the HB 2763-1 amendments are removed and only the -2 amendments are adopted.

115

Stembridge

Affirms.

120

Sen. Brown

Amends her motion to reflect that only the -2 amendments are included.

 

 

VOTE:  6-0

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. CORCORAN will lead discussion on the floor.

125

Co-chair Clarno

Closes work session on HB 2763.  Opens public hearing on HB 2575A.

HB 2575A – PUBLIC HEARING

145

Vickie Chamberlain

Executive Director, Teacher Standards and Practices Commission.  Testifies in support of HB 2575A, which allows Teacher Standards and Practices Commission to set time period for issuance of initial teaching, personnel service and administrative licenses.

155

Rep. Vic Backlund

District 25.  Presents overview and background for HB 2575A.  Testifies in support of HB 2575A and of –A10 amendments dated
5-27-03 (EXHIBIT B).

195

Chamberlain

Explains the Commission is dedicated to work out issues during the interim, including the master’s program.  Asks for opportunity to look at policy and report back.  Testifies in support of –A10 amendments.

210

Dr. David Myton

George Fox University.  Testifies in support of HB 2575A and the
–A10 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).  Offers to answer questions.

240

Linda Samek

Director of teacher education, Western Baptist College.  Testifies in support of HB 2575A and –A10 amendments.

250

Jim Green

Oregon School Boards Association (OSBA).  Testifies in support of HB 2575A with –A10 amendments.

260

Sen. Beyer

Asks whether his association supported HB 2575A as passed by House. 

265

Green

Advises they did support but also worked with others to create –A10 amendments.

275

Lisa Zavala

Oregon University System (OUS).  Testifies in support of HB 2575A with the –A10 amendments.

285

Co-chair Clarno

Closes public hearing on HB 2575A.  Opens work session on HB 2575A.

HB 2575A – WORK SESSION

290

Co-chair Clarno

Recesses the committee at 3:30 p.m.

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295

Co-chair Clarno

Reconvenes the committee at 3:32 p.m.

300

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2575A-10 amendments dated 5/27/03.

305

Sen. Beyer

Advises he will vote against adopting the –A10 amendments.

 

 

VOTE:  4-1

AYE:               4 - Atkinson, Burdick, Corcoran, Fisher

NAY:               1 - Beyer

EXCUSED:     1 - Brown

 

Co-chair Clarno

The motion CARRIES.

310

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2575A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Sen. Brown

 

Co-chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. BURDICK will lead discussion on the floor.

330

Co-chair Clarno

Closes work session on HB 2575A.  Opens public hearing on HB 2817A.

HB 2817A – PUBLIC HEARING

335

Jan McComb

Committee administrator.  Provides overview of HB 2817A, which creates Oregon Post-Secondary Education Council Task Force for purpose of increasing coordination among post-secondary institutions in state.

345

Rep. Vic Backlund

District 25.  Testifies in support of HB 2817A.  Refers to HB 2015 (2001) with similar effect, which was passed but not funded.  Explains purpose to bring representatives from OUS, community colleges and private colleges together to discuss models to improve higher education.

TAPE 58, A

005

Sen. Frank Morse

District 8.  Testifies in support of HB 2817A.  Discusses role played by private colleges in state education.  Explains private colleges have many students whose families earn less than those attending public universities.

040

Sen. Corcoran

Asks what problem the bill addresses.

045

Rep. Backlund

Explains private and non-profit universities feel need to meet with counterparts in the OUS, to promote dialog, conversation, discussion and communication among institutions in the post-high school education system.

055

Sen. Morse

Discusses need for interaction:

·       Opportunity need grants given to private colleges for funding education

·       Coordination of degree offerings

·       Increased communication about delivery of education

065

Sen. Corcoran

Asks what the measure will do to encourage cooperation, beyond the existing Joint Boards Articulation Commission, which already has private college representation.

075

Rep. Backlund

Responds the current system is not effective, because presidents of privates were not represented or were not participants in that committee. 

090

Sen. Corcoran

Points out the committee has private representation.

105

Duncan Wyse

Oregon Business Council.  Testifies in support of HB 2817A.  Submits written testimony of Harvey Mathews (EXHIBIT D).  Discusses post-secondary education in Oregon and across the nation:

·         Demand for post-secondary education will grow in coming years

·         Demand for nimble institutions to meet varying needs

·         Blurring of lines between different types of institutions

·         Need to change state’s roll into one of oversight not management of institutions

·         Need to enable greatest amount of student access

Explains this commission will review the issues and report to the legislature.

170

Sen. Corcoran

Asks about redundancy.

175

Wyse

Responds no single group focuses on the entire system, and the commission will create a new model.  Discusses funding and explains plan to seek independent funding for the commission.

195

Sen. Corcoran

Inquires whether it would be more efficient to have the discussion at the existing commission.

210

Lee Pelton

President, Willamette University.  Testifies in support of HB 2817A.  Discusses need for a vision for the entire system.  Suggests the commission is occupied with details, not a vision for the entire higher education system.  Discusses reduction in state funding of higher education in past decade.  Recommends vision should include both private and public universities working together for state’s future.

310

Gary Andeen

Executive Director, Oregon Independent Colleges Association.  Testifies in support of HB 2817A.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).  Discusses trends in funding higher education.  Recommends more participation in policy-making for higher education by different institutions.

400

Sen. Corcoran

Observes that this looks like a pre-voucher bill, which raises a red flag.

TAPE 57, B

005

Sen. Burdick

Asks if they drafted the bill.

008

Andeen

Confirms.

010

Sen. Burdick

Asks whether drafters worked with other sectors.

012

Andeen

Responds they did not.

015

Sen. Burdick

Asks why not.

017

Andeen

Explains those sectors have not been interested.

020

Rep. Backlund

Responds further and describes how the measure came through the House Education Committee.  Describes participation by interested parties and how amendments were drafted to address concerns.

035

Sen. Burdick

Suggests the entire community should be involved in something which affects whole higher education system in Oregon.  Asks about concern over switch to voucher system.

045

Rep. Backlund

Explains he opposes vouchers, but that is not what this is.  Discusses vision and potential for higher education.

055

Sen. Burdick

Asks about funding in these hard times.

065

Rep. Backlund

Responds the original bill included public financing, but that was not workable.  Explains private donations would finance, through the Department of Administrative Services (DAS), and spending would be governed by the same regulations as other expenditures.  Suggests the test will be if the private community can raise the money.

080

Sen. Burdick

Inquires whether there will be a lack of objectivity, even with private funding.

085

Rep. Backlund

Responds probably not, depending on personalities.  Explains a wide variety of interests is represented.

095

Andeen

Clarifies he does not support vouchers and the measure asks for independent task force of people not connected to any institution.

115

Lisa Zavala

OUS.  Testifies in opposition to HB 2817A.  Asserts the State Board of Higher Education is responsible for higher education policy.  Submits written materials (EXHIBITS F, G).  Discusses Lumina project.  Suggests bill is duplicative.  Opposes private task force making policy for public institutions.

160

Sen. Corcoran

Describes the existing Higher Education Board as blue ribbon.

175

Zavala

Discusses qualifications of board members.

185

Rem Nivens

Oregon Community Colleges Association (OCCA).  Testifies in opposition to HB 2817A.  Suggests there is already a forum.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).  Reviews –A9 amendments (EXHIBIT I).

215

Zavala

Expresses support for –A9 amendments.

225

Melissa Unger

Oregon Student Association (public university students).  Testifies in opposition to HB 2817A.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).  Expresses concerns that the measure is not necessary, and is repetitive of commissions in place.  Discusses Lumina project, a round table to review policy.  Expresses support for –A9 amendments.

265

Sen. Atkinson

Asks whether the –A9 amendments would kill the measure.

270

Unger

Responds the State should commit to having all sectors come together, and commit funding.

275

Cam Preus-Braly

Commissioner of Community Colleges.  Appears to discuss the Joint Boards Articulation Commission.  Explains the Commission was not involved in House committee because articulation was not the issue there.  Describes primary purpose of cross-sector articulation of programs and matriculation of students moving from one system to another.  Clarifies HB 2015 (2001) had consensus of post-secondary systems, which HB 2817A does not have.  Suggests funding would be a problem.

320

Co-chair Clarno

Closes public hearing on HB 2817A.  Adjourns meeting at 4:30 p.m.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2763, -2 amendments (5-27-03), staff, 2 pp

B – HB 2575A, -A10 amendment (5-27-03), staff, 1 p

C – HB 2575A, written testimony, Dr. David Myton, 2 pp

D – HB 2817A, written testimony of Harvey Mathews, Duncan Wyse, 1 p

E – HB 2817A, written testimony, Gary Andeen, 2 pp

F – HB 2817A, OUS vision statement, Lisa Zavala, 3 pp

G – HB 2817A, OUS vision and goals, Lisa Zavala, 3 pp

H – HB 2817A, written testimony, Rem Nivens, 1 p

I – HB 2817A, -A9 amendments (5-16-03), Rem Nivens, 1 p

J – HB 2817A, written testimony, Melissa Unger, 1 p