HOUSE COMMITTEE ON
BUSINESS, LABOR, AND CONSUMER AFFAIRS
May 27, 2005 Hearing Room B
1:00 P.M. Tapes 148 - 149
Corrected 10/03/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Alan Brown, Chair
Rep. Sal Esquivel, Vice-Chair
Rep. Mike Schaufler, Vice-Chair
Rep. Paul Holvey
Rep. George Gilman
Rep. Derrick Kitts
Rep. Chip Shields
STAFF PRESENT: Janet Adkins, Committee Administrator
Katie Howard, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 316A – Public Hearing and Work Session
HB 2535 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 1006 – Work Session
SB 477A – Work Session
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
TAPE 148, A |
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003 |
Chair Brown |
Calls the meeting to order at 10:40 a.m. Opens the public hearing on SB 316A. |
SB 316A – PUBLIC HEARING |
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007 |
Janet Adkins |
Committee Administrator. Explains SB 316A. |
020 |
Sen. Avel Gordly |
Senate District 23. Speaks in support of SB 316A. Reads ORS 943.325. Talks about ORS 200.035. States that what is missing from the statute is the requirement that the results of solicitations for the Minority, Women, and Small Businesses program be reported. |
087 |
Lydia Muniz |
Governor’s Advocate for Minority, Women, and Small Businesses. Speaks in support of SB 316A. Wants state agencies to notify what solicitations have been made and what contracts were awarded to Minority, Women, and Small Businesses. |
113 |
Dianne Lancaster |
Oregon Chief Procurement Officer, Department of Administrative Services. Submits written testimony in support of SB 316A (EXHIBIT A). Says DAS will support state agencies to enact SB 316A. |
124 |
Rep. Holvey |
Asks who SB 316A affects. |
126 |
Sen. Gordly |
Says that it only affects state agencies. |
129 |
Adkins |
Asks if the purpose is to track where the awards went. |
133 |
Muniz |
Notes the current statutes implications and says that it is to track information to see if the resources of the Minority, Women, and Small Business program is working. |
147 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the public hearing on SB 316A. Opens the work session on SB 316A. |
SB 316A – WORK SESSION |
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149 |
Rep. Esquivel |
MOTION: Moves SB 316A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
157 |
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VOTE: 5-0-2 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 2 - Kitts, Schaufler (NOTE: Please see page 6, tape 149, B, of this tape log for Rep. Kitts and Rep. Schauflers’ vote.) |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. REP. ESQUIVEL will lead discussion on the floor. |
161 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on SB 316A. Opens the public hearing on HB 2535. |
HB 2535 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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163 |
Janet Adkins |
Committee Administrator. Submits the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT B). |
173 |
Rep. Greg Smith |
House District 57. Speaks in support of HB 2535 with the -1 amendments. States that the Oregon Economic and Community Development Department (OECDD) is incorrectly perceived by people in Oregon. |
267 |
Rep. G Smith |
Explains the -1 amendments. States that they want to look at what are the best practices in Oregon. Wants to dedicate development to ports and small businesses. |
331 |
Rep. G Smith |
Talks about how people perceive the OECDD as providing the means for communities in Oregon to carry out their economic development project. |
395 |
Chair Brown |
Asks what the time frame is. |
397 |
Rep. G Smith |
States that they are starting when session ends and will complete the report by September 2006. |
405 |
Rep. Gilman |
Appreciates the September 1st deadline. |
412 |
Rep. Holvey |
Asks how the different regions were developed. |
417 |
Rep. G Smith |
Says that the Association of Oregon Counties determined the regions. |
423 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Asks if the recommendation from the committee will have to be unanimous or a majority. |
TAPE 149, A |
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003 |
Rep. G Smith |
States that it will be a majority. Says they will attempt to get a consensus. |
016 |
Chair Brown |
States that HB 2535 sounds like a very ambitious undertaking. |
019 |
Rep. Gilman |
Talks about regional ideas and all the different regions that exist in the state. Wants the committee to look at making the regions uniform for all the state departments. |
025 |
Rep. G Smith |
Wants to bring all the departments together to look at the state’s development. |
045 |
Lynn Beaton |
Oregon Economic and Community Development Department (OECDD). States that the OECDD supports the concept of having a taskforce. Says that the agency is ready to work on the issue. Offers comments on the membership of the taskforce. Wants to ensure that there was a local economic development member on the taskforce and good representation from the entire state. States that one taskforce member should be from the OECDD. |
079 |
Tom Gallagher |
Portland Business Alliance, Schnitzer Industries. Speaks in support of HB 2535. Talks about permitting on the state level and the frustration that came from those committees. Indicates that there is a need for an infrastructure that looks at the direction of economic development. |
132 |
Gallagher |
Emphasizes that state agencies need to be aligned under the same plan. |
143 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Talks about Connect Oregon and highway projects. Notes that as Oregonians we are not taking advantage of our natural resources. Says that the main argument is about how to use our natural resources. |
163 |
Gallagher |
Says that in the last thirty years the areas outside of the metropolitan areas have turned into service economies. Indicates that interest groups need to sit down and find some common ground. |
191 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2535. Opens the work session on HB 2535. |
HB 2535 – WORK SESSION |
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195 |
Rep. Kitts |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 2535-1 amendments dated 05/26/05. |
197 |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Brown |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
200 |
Rep. Kitts |
MOTION: Moves HB 2535 to with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Budget by prior reference. |
204 |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. |
206 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on HB 2535. Opens the work session on SB 1006. |
SB 1006 – WORK SESSION |
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214 |
Janet Adkins |
Committee Administrator. Explains SB 1006. Submits the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). |
232 |
Dugan Petty |
Department of Administrative Services. States that the -1 amendments are technical amendments and explains them. |
250 |
Rep. Schaufler |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 1006-1 amendments dated 05/26/05. |
260 |
Rep. Gilman |
States that 13 senators did not like SB 1006. |
266 |
Chair Brown |
States that the objection was to where the forms were going. |
273 |
Rep. Kitts |
States that SB 1006 is unnecessary and the existing language is not specific enough. |
285 |
Rep. Esquivel |
Shares concern about SB 1006. States that he will give a courtesy vote to get it to the floor and will do some more research before the vote on the floor. |
287 |
Rep. Kitts |
States that if the committee has the concerns then it should not go to the floor. |
294 |
Chair Brown |
Speaks in support of SB 1006. Talks about the construction in Coos County that has generated extra costs. Believes that SB 1006 will help remedy problems in the state. |
309 |
Rep. Holvey |
Believes that SB 1006 “helps keep the worms in the can”. |
315 |
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VOTE: 6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Esquivel, Gilman, Holvey, Schaufler, Shields, Brown NAY: 1 - Kitts |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. REP. HOLVEY will lead discussion on the floor. |
323 |
Rep. Kitts |
Points out that all four republicans on the committee had concerns with SB 1006. |
327 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Counters that he has concerns about every bill that passes through the committee. |
332 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on SB 1006. Opens the work session on SB 477A. |
SB 477A – WORK SESSION |
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341 |
Janet Adkins |
Committee Administrator. Explains SB 477A. Submits the –A5 amendments (EXHIBIT D). |
TAPE 148, B |
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001 |
Adkins |
Continues explaining the –A5 amendments. |
016 |
Jessica Harris Adamson |
Associate General Contractors. Speaks in support of SB 477A with the -5A amendments. Talks about the bonding portion of the amendments. Explains that today public work contractors are required to post a performance and payment bonds. Says that subcontractors are required by the general contractor to have bonds. Indicates that their goal is to establish a bond that will enable BOLI to make the bond wage claims. Offers to answer any questions. |
048 |
Rep. Esquivel |
Asks for an explanation of 7(a) on page 2 line 20 to 26. |
052 |
Harris Adamson |
States that the section allows emerging and small businesses to get on their feet before they are required to have the bond. Notes that often contracts require the use of these small businesses. |
065 |
Rep. Esquivel |
Asks who determines disadvantaged. |
067 |
Harris Adamson |
States that the Department of Business and Consumer Services does. |
072 |
Rep. Kitts |
Shares concern about the same section and asks if it provides an unfair advantage and if it is a public risk for people not to have bonds and how much bonds cost. |
088 |
Harris Adamson |
States that they are one and two person shops that are trying to establish a business. Believes that it does not cause a disadvantage to other companies because there are broader advantages for other businesses. |
106 |
Rep. Kitts |
Asks about the consumer protection component of SB 477A. |
111 |
Harris Adamson |
Says that there is a requirement that emerging small businesses must inform the general contractor and that the general contractors bond is subject to claims when the subcontractor does not have a bond. Mentions that bonds can cost anywhere from one percent to ten percent of the bonds total amount. |
135 |
Chair Brown |
Asks if the bond in SB 477A deals with potential labor claims and not with performance bonds. |
136 |
Harris Adamson |
States that he is correct. |
137 |
Rep. Schaufler |
Reiterates Chair Brown. |
140 |
Harris Adamson |
Notes that SB 447A is only for public works contracts. |
144 |
Chair Brown |
Notes that it will help small businesses. |
150 |
Harris Adamson |
Believes that SB 477A will provide a level of protection. |
159 |
Rep. Kitts |
Asks what would stop the subcontractors from not paying their employees. |
171 |
Harris Adamson |
States that kind of scenario is not occurring currently. Believes that general contractors will weed these subcontractors out of the market. |
179 |
Rep. Gilman |
Asks about if the $50,000 upper limit on projects includes the donation level for project materials of $50,000. |
188 |
Harris Adamson |
Says that if the amount of donated materials is under $50,000 it does not count towards the total $50,000 limit. |
200 |
Rep. Holvey |
Asks about the section at the beginning of page five. Wants to make sure that the wages that are being discussed can be recovered from the general contractor’s bond. |
213 |
Harris Adamson |
Says that intention of the provision is in line with what Rep. Holvey is saying. States that they are trying to avoid a $500,000 claim being made. |
222 |
Rep. Holvey |
Indicates that he wants to make sure a $5,000 wage claim could be made on another bond if one bond does not work. |
228 |
Harris Adamson |
States that SB 477A would allow it. Talks about how it is not a huge shift for general contractors. Notes that BOLI will create two books to look at the state and federal prevailing wage rates so that a public agency only has to determine what kind of project they are staffing. |
273 |
Rep. Kitts |
Asks about section 7A and if any preference is given to emerging small businesses during the bidding process. |
276 |
Harris Adamson |
States that the ability does exist for an agency to give preference to minority and emerging small businesses. |
303 |
Rep. Holvey |
References page 11 line 27 and asks if there is anything in statute that allows action to be taken against subcontractors and general contractors. |
307 |
Harris Adamson |
Says that contractors and subcontractors are required to submit truthful statements and a civil penalty does exist for untruthful statements. |
340 |
John Jackley |
Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Submits written testimony which takes a neutral position on SB 477A (EXHIBIT E). Talks about the section that deals with prevailing wages. Says that the construction boom that is coming will cause higher wages. Notes that the requirement for BOLI to put together the information to implement SB 477A will greatly help ODOT. |
380 |
Chair Brown |
Asks if there are ODOT contracts under the $50,000 threshold. |
385 |
Jackley |
States that most are larger. |
392 |
Rep. Kitts |
Requests information from all the proponents of SB 477A. |
406 |
Jon Oshel |
Association of Oregon Counties. Takes a neutral position of SB 477A. States that their issues with SB 477A have been taken care of. |
TAPE 149, B |
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001 |
Oshel |
Talks about the threshold and notes that for 2005 the counties are planning on doing 18 projects that would fall under SB 477A. Says that the volunteer language clarifies a lot of issues. |
040 |
Bob Avery |
Chief of Staff, Rep. Bruce Hanna, House District 7. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 477A (EXHIBIT F). Believes that there is a broad consensus in the workgroup. |
100 |
Rep. Kitts |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 477A-5 amendments dated 05/26/05. |
102 |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Brown |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
105 |
Rep. Kitts |
MOTION: Moves SB 477A to the floor with a DO PASS as amended recommendation. |
109 |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. REP. BROWN AND REP. HANNA will lead discussion on the floor. |
120 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on SB 477A. Re-opens the work session on SB 316A for the purpose of allowing Rep. Kitts and Rep. Schaufler to vote. |
SB 316A – WORK SESSION |
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122 |
Rep. Shields |
MOTION: Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow REP. KITTS AND REP. SCHAUFLER to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the motion to move SB 316A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
125 |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 (NOTE: Please see page 2, tape 148, A, of this tape log for original vote.) |
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Chair Brown |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
129 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on SB 316A for the purpose of allowing Rep. Kitts and Rep. Schaufler to vote. .Adjourns the meeting at 12:16 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY