HOUSE COMMITTEE ON LAND USE
May 02, 2005 Hearing Room 50
1:30 P.M. Tapes 77 - 80
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Bill Garrard, Chair
Rep. Gordon Anderson, Vice-Chair
Rep. Mitch Greenlick, Vice-Chair
Rep. Robert Ackerman
Rep. Mary Nolan
Rep. Patti Smith
Rep. Mac Sumner
STAFF PRESENT: Sam Litke, Committee Administrator
Lindsay Luckey, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
HB 3463 – Public Hearing and Work Session
HB 3286 – Work Session
HB 3313 – Work Session
HB 3135 – Work Session
HB 2963 – Work Session
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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Speaker |
Comments |
TAPE 77, A |
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002 |
Chair Garrard |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:37 p.m. and opens a public hearing on HB 3463. |
HB 3463 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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018 |
Rep. Kitts |
HD 30. As sponsor of HB 3463, speaks in support of HB 3463. Passes around photos of the Pat’s Acres Raceway in Canby and explains the photos. Explains that the problem is that the race track is zoned for go-carts only and describes their intention to extend the use the allow the operation of vehicles conducive to the existing track. |
056 |
Chris Egger |
Owner, Pat’s Acres Raceway. Explains their need to expand the use of their track and discusses the people who use their track. |
075 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if the raceway is operating under a conditional use permit now. |
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Egger |
Responds affirmatively. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Verifies that it restricts them to the one current use. |
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Egger |
Confirms this. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if they want to expand to include motorcycles. |
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Egger |
Responds they wish to include motorcycles and other vehicle conducive to the track. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Adds other vehicles that would apply and explains the reason for the broadness of the language. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if the constituents have gone to the County to seek this expansion under the conditional use permit and if so, for the result. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Explains that they have and defers to Egger. |
100 |
Egger |
Outlines the situation leading to the County’s involvement. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Elaborates and references the aerial photo. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks them if they have asked the county to expand the conditional use permit to allow what they are seeking today. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds that they have. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if this bill will overturn the county commissioner decision. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds negatively and elaborates. |
137 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Comments that the definition of “racing vehicle” is broad and asks what it means to be suitable for the type of track. |
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Rep. Kitts |
References the aerial photo of the track asserting that it is very limited in what would be considered conducive. Gives examples. |
157 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Comments that it may be ambiguous in the statute. Asks why specific cars couldn’t run on the track. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds that they are too big to run on the track. |
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Egger |
Adds that full size cars will not fit and gives dimensions of the tracks. |
171 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Begins to add that if they are suggesting that any type of vehicle that is conducive. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Interjects that is what they are suggesting. |
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Rep. Nolan |
Clarifies that the statute is silent on who determines what is compatible on the track. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds that the track decides that. |
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Rep. Nolan |
Adds that the statute is also silent on any improvements to the track which may change its compatibility. |
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Egger |
Discusses previous expansions. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Reiterates that the track is the determining factor. |
204 |
Rep. Nolan |
Asks who is the deciding party when there is disagreement between the operator and the county. |
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Rep. Kitts |
States that they are discussing the existing track. References a prior track. |
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Egger |
Adds that another limiting factor is the insurance company. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Elaborates in Section 1 on existing tracks and explains the intention of bill. |
238 |
Rep. Nolan |
Verifies that the term existing “motorsports race track” refers to the physical layout of the course, not the business operation. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Confirms this. |
246 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if using the track until 10 pm subject to suitable lighting, provided for in the bill, is an expanded use. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds that there is currently lighting there and explains the county’s response. |
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Egger |
Adds the county’s explanation. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Explains existing rules. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if the track is currently operating with lumination. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds negatively. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks if this would be an expanded use. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds affirmatively. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Verifies it would expand the use for vehicles and for time. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Explains that they are asking to be allowed to use the lights which would allow them to be open to the currently allowed time. |
278 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Notes from a neighbors perspective, it would be an expansion of the type of vehicles used and the hours of operation. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Agrees but adds current possibility for expanded usage. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Verifies their testimony that the track has been changed twice since 1969. |
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Egger |
Responds that it has been added to twice. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asserts they have a different physical track. |
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Egger |
Explains the original track is still there. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asks if they are not running on the original track. |
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Egger |
Responds that the original track is a portion of the existing track. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asks if more extensions would be covered under the bill. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Responds that any expansions must go through the appropriate process. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Verifies Rep. Kitt’s testimony. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Clarifies his testimony. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Verifies Rep. Kitt’s testimony of the existing track. |
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Rep. Kitts |
Clarifies that the existing track as is, is the track that was there in 1969. |
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Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3463 and opens a work session on HB 3463. |
HB 3463 – WORK SESSION |
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360 |
Rep. Anderson |
MOTION: Moves HB 3463 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Explains his vote in opposition discussing the expanded use of the facility and lack of thorough discussion from neighbors and the county. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Explains his vote in opposition. Agrees with Rep. Ackerman and discusses preemption of the local decision. |
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Rep. Anderson |
Explains his vote in favor discussing the established business. |
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Rep. Sumner |
Explains his vote in favor discussing the property and merits of the facility. |
TAPE 78, A |
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VOTE: 5-2-0 AYE: 5 - Anderson, Nolan, Smith P., Sumner, Garrard NAY: 2 - Ackerman, Greenlick |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. REP. KITTS will lead discussion on the floor. |
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Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3463 and opens a work session on HB 3286. |
HB 3286 – WORK SESSION |
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025 |
Sam Litke |
Committee Administrator. Reviews the background of HB 3463 and the Uniform Environmental Covenants Act. Introduces the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT A). |
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Joe Willis |
Uniform Law Commission. Discusses the Uniform Law Conference and actions after the public hearing on HB 3286. Urges the committee to pass HB 3286 with the -1 amendments. |
128 |
Micheal Kerr |
Deputy Executive Director, National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform Law. Discusses actions of other states on this legislation and compares Oregon’s provisions. Gives hypothetical problems and explains that the reason that properties aren’t being “cleaned up”. |
200 |
Kerr |
Submits and references a packet of information (EXHIBIT B). Lists groups and states supporting the Uniform Environmental Covenants Act. Reiterates benefits of the uniform language and urges passage of HB 3286. |
260 |
Bob Danko |
Department of Environmental Quality. Suggests time during the interim to review HB 3286 with stake holders and environmental attorneys. States it is not appropriate to pass out HB 3286 at this time. |
278 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks if they are voting on this today. |
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Chair Garrard |
Remarks they have just received the amendments. |
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Danko |
Reviews the effect of the amendments and does not believe there is the urgency to move the bill now. |
293 |
Willis |
Makes comments on uniformity. |
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Chair Garrard |
Remarks that they are not prepared to move the bill and need to look at the amendments. |
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Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3286 and opens a work session on HB 3313. |
HB 3313 – WORK SESSION |
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342 |
Dave Hunnicutt |
Oregonians in Action. Speaks in support of HB 3313 with the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). Discusses the history of the forest template test, gives the criteria and describes the case where this issue arose in Multnomah County. |
425 |
Kathleen Worman |
Multnomah County. Explains her situation. |
TAPE 77, B |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asks what the consequence of the change is on Line 4 of Page 3 in -1 amendments. |
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Hunnicutt |
Responds that he does not know the origin of the change and explains that it is a distinction without a difference. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asks a question relating to DLCD. |
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Hunnicutt |
Responds no. |
040 |
Rep. P. Smith |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3313-1 amendments dated 4/25/05. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
045 |
Rep. P. Smith |
MOTION: Moves HB 3313A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. REP. SUMNER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3313 and opens a work session on HB 3135. |
HB 3135 – WORK SESSION |
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Lisa Arkin |
Explains the role of the Energy Facility Siting Council and explains the -4 (EXHIBIT D) and -5 amendments (EXHIBIT E). Explains Page 4, lines 9-16 and reviews the provisions of -4 amendments. |
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Arkin |
Continues explanation of amendments and notes the distinction between the -4 and -5 amendments. Discusses Section 9 which creates a task force. |
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Rep. Ackerman |
Asks for the distinction between the -4 and -5 amendments. |
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Arkin |
Explains the difference is on Page 2, line 27-28 of either amendment. Recommends a do-pass for the -4 amendments. |
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Chair Garrard |
Verifies that the -4 amendments are her preference. |
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Arkin |
Prefers the -4 amendments. |
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Rep. Nolan |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3135-4 amendments dated 4/27/05. |
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VOTE: 6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Ackerman, Anderson, Greenlick, Smith P., Sumner, Garrard NAY: 1 - Nolan |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
170 |
Rep. Nolan |
MOTION: Moves HB 3135A to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Environment by prior reference. |
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VOTE: 6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Ackerman, Anderson, Greenlick, Nolan, Sumner, Garrard NAY: 1 - Smith P. |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
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Closes the work session on HB 3135 and opens a work session on HB 2963. |
HB 2963 – WORK SESSION |
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Sam Litke |
Committee Administrator. Explains the effect of the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT G) and reviews the public hearing and work group. |
200 |
Tom Gallagher |
Urban Developers Coalition. Submits -2 amendments (EXHIBIT G). Stresses the purpose of the -2 amendments and explains how they are achieved in sections 3 and 4. |
250 |
Gallagher |
Explains two new concepts from Page 1 (3) and notes the definition of industrial land found on Page 2, line 14. |
268 |
Gallagher |
Stresses the narrowing of the industrial land language. Explains Page 2, Section 4, line 23. |
275 |
Gallagher |
Continues explanation of -2 amendments, Page 3 (4). |
314 |
Gallagher |
Continues explanation on Page 4, line 10 and notes subsection 6 is an “opt out” provision. Discusses an ability to move urban growth boundary in page 4 (7). |
369 |
Gallagher |
References the fiscal impact statement (EXHIBIT H). Explains Section 5 as the “bird in the hand” provision. Notes narrow criteria found in Page 5, Line 15. |
TAPE 78, B |
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Chair Garrard |
Asks who was involved in the work group. |
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Gallagher |
Lists members present as Land Conservation and Development Commission (LCDC), Oregon Economic and Community Development Department (OECDD), representatives of cities and counties and Metro. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Asks about “traded sector” and asks if a previous example would qualify. |
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Gallagher |
Responds he is not qualified to answer. Makes comment on origin of the term “traded sector”. |
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Rep. Greenlick |
Reads definition of “traded sector” and asks if it is intended to narrow the definition. |
050 |
Gallagher |
Responds that it is narrowed and explains its intention. |
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Bob Rindy |
LCDC. Supports the intention of the bill. Submits a letter from Lane Shetterly supporting efforts to provide industrial land but raising concerns about the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT H). |
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Rindy |
References the concerns of the department in letter. Announces support of HB 2963 as it stands today. |
120 |
Kimberly Grygebski |
OECDD. Reports interest in seeing the bill move forward and the department’s interest in providing industrial trends. Raises concerns about the bill as drafted including the definition of industrial trends analysis. Outlines specific points in sections. |
187 |
Linda Ludwig |
League Of Oregon Cities. Notes her view of the language in HB 2956 as a work in progress. Discusses lack of infrastructure funding. Believes the bill should move forward. |
215 |
Art Schlack |
Association of Oregon Counties. Discusses the potentially significant fiscal impact. Suggests moving the bill to Ways and Means to address the funding as well as final details. States they will not support the bill without a source of new funds. Discusses the special section dealing with the “bird in the hand” concept. |
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Chair Garrard |
Asks Gallagher about fiscal impact, as the fiscal statement issued is for the original bill. |
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Gallagher |
Recommends sending it to Ways and Means. |
300 |
Rep. Jerry Krummel |
HD 26. Discusses ambiguity in definition of “serviceable”, assuming it means infrastructure, and comments on who might provide the infrastructure. References Section 4, lines 23-30 and raises concerns. |
368 |
Rep. Krummel |
Points out concern on Page 3, (4) (A), lines 22 -27. Question what incentive there is for cities and counties in provision on Page 4, lines 4-9. Suggests that HB 2963-2 is not yet ready. |
TAPE 79, A |
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Charlotte Lehan |
Mayor, Wilsonville. Submits collage of pictures showing evidence of distribution centers in Wilsonville as a response to previous testimony (EXHIBIT I). Discusses problems with the amendments to HB 2963 and outlines barriers to development including the lack of infrastructure. Notes amount of land Wilsonville currently has within the urban growth boundary (UGB). Submits written testimony outlining criticism of HB 2963 (EXHIBIT L). |
082 |
Lehan |
References Section 5 and addresses the criteria specified for the number and type of jobs. |
115 |
CK Patterson |
Discusses his previous testimony on HB 2963 as written and his current disagreement that the bill is ready to go to Ways and Means. Gives reasons why the bill is not ready to move. |
146 |
Alex McPhail |
Coalition to Save the Valley. Submits written testimony raising concerns about HB 2963 (EXHIBIT J) |
165 |
Tony Holt |
Charbonneau. Submits and summarizes written testimony raising concerns about HB 2963 (EXHIBIT K). |
210 |
Debbie Smith |
Wilsonville, Coalition to Save the Valley. Asserts that HB 2963-2 will hurt farmland in the Willamette Valley by extending industry south of the Willamette Valley and elaborates. Urges no vote on HB 2963. Submits copy of her statement (EXHIBIT M). |
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Danielle Cowan |
Public Affairs Director, City of Wilsonville. Submits and summarizes written testimony in opposition to HB 2963 (EXHIBIT N) and an article from the Oregonian (EXHIBIT O). |
319 |
Rep. Anderson |
Asks if land currently in Wilsonville’s UGB was not farm land at one point. |
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Cowan |
Responds that some was and some was not and discusses the quality of the farm land. |
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Rep. Nolan |
Asks Smith if her family still farms. |
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Smith |
Responds negatively and discusses their prior farming. |
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Rep. Nolan |
Asks what kind of job her children are likely to have. |
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Smith |
Discusses the viability of farming. |
365 |
Rep. Nolan |
Asks for clarification from Gallagher on Section 5, specifically about his intention on the 250 high wage jobs per 100 acre minimum. |
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Gallagher |
Defers to Bob Rindy and explains about developable acreage. |
TAPE 80, A |
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Rindy |
Explains their intention with the number and notes difficulty in predicting future jobs rather than investment. |
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Rep. Nolan |
Notes the emphasis on the value of facility and asks if there is anything that requires that investment be on property tax rolls. |
046 |
Gallagher |
Stresses the focus of section 5. |
065 |
Rep. Anderson |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2963-2 amendments dated 4/29/05. |
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Rep. P. Smith |
Notes intention to vote no and explains. |
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VOTE: 2-4-1 AYE: 2 - Ackerman, Garrard NAY: 4 - Anderson, Nolan, Smith P., Sumner EXCUSED: 1 - Greenlick |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion FAILS. |
085 |
Rep. Anderson |
MOTION: Moves HB 2963 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference. |
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VOTE: 3-3-1 AYE: 3 - Ackerman, Anderson, Garrard NAY: 3 - Nolan, Smith P., Sumner EXCUSED: 1 - Greenlick |
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Chair Garrard |
The motion FAILS. |
090 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 2963 and adjourns the meeting at 4:03 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY