HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

March 16, 2005   Hearing Room C

1:00 P.M.  Tapes 26 - 27

Corrected 10/17/05

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. George Gilman, Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. Chuck Burley, Vice-Chair

Rep. Deborah Boone

Rep. Scott Bruun

Rep. Dave Hunt

Rep. Kim Thatcher

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  John Houser, Committee Administrator

Mike Reiley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:

                                                HB 2113 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2165 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 26, A

003

Chair Gilman

Calls the meeting to order at 1:05 p.m.

005

Rep. Burley

Notes that the U.S. House of Representatives passed HJR 3 which should aid in transportation funding.

007

Chair Gilman

Opens a public hearing on HB 2113.

HB 2113 – PUBLIC HEARING

012

John Houser

Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 2113 and the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT A).

025

Mike Marsh

Deputy Director, Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Submits prepared section-by-section summary and testifies in support of HB 2113 (EXHIBIT B).

123

Chair Gilman

Asks why language in ORS 802.020 must be removed.

117

Marsh

Explains that it would be removing redundancies to make operations more efficient. Continues the summary of Sections 7-12 (EXHIBIT B).

243

Chair Gilman

Closes the public hearing on HB 2113. Opens a public hearing on HB 2165.

HB 2165 – PUBLIC HEARING

253

John Houser

Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 2165 and -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C).

281

Art Schlack

Association of Oregon Counties (AOC). Introduces Judge Laura Pryor and Commissioner Don Lindley. Testifies in support of HB 2165. Explains the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). Explains that most drivers cannot distinguish between a state highway, county road, or city street.

411

Don Lindley

Lincoln County Commissioner. Chair, Cascades West Committee on Transportation. Testifies in support of HB 2165. Explains the importance of the committee. Notes that HB 2165 has no fiscal impact.

TAPE 27, A

029

Judge Laura Pryor

Chair, North Central Area Commission on Transportation (ACT). Explains the difference in road needs between rural and urban counties. Highlights the work that has been done to better coordinate transportation programs in Oregon. Notes the importance of a coordinating committee.

106

Rep. Beyer

Acknowledges the current system is not operating efficiently, but notes that in her district the cities and counties are not coordinating. Wonders if HB 2165 is the answer. Asks if the coordinating committees should report back to the legislature.

135

Pryor

Answers that it would be appropriate to report back to the legislature.  Comments it would give a better picture of the overall system and would help facilitate city and county coordination and communication. Comments that the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) did not hamper the negotiations. Explains the difficulties with transportation issues.

174

Rep. Bruun

Notes the proposed reasons for setting up the committee. Asks if there are fundamental differences between cities, counties and ODOT.

190

Pryor

Answers that there are fundamental differences in the ODOT reporting structure. Notes that all groups are taking care of road surfaces in some way.

213

Rep. Bruun

Clarifies that the differences are not related to policy, but are communication and structural differences.

217

Pryor

Answers yes.

222

Schlack

Explains ODOT involvement in setting the agenda for the meetings. Notes that HB 2165 will help.

256

Rep. Burley

Acknowledges the importance of collaboration, but stresses that it is difficult to force entities to collaborate.

272

Pryor

Explains the difficulties in collaboration and how the current ODOT committee operates under the memorandum of understanding. Expresses hope that by elevating the committee to a statutory level, it will provide a better vehicle to address the issues. Explains the relationship between the freight advisory board and the Land Conservation and Development Commission (LCDC) advisory board.

328

Rep. Burley

Refers to the -1 amendments and asks if the advisory committee should face a sunset.

345

Pryor

Testifies that the committee should be given a chance and if it does not work, it could revert back to the way it currently operates.

366

Rep. Burley

Asks if the bill should include all public roadways.

380

Pryor

Answers that by focusing on the roads, it will allow them to address other transportation issues such as bridges. Notes that streets, roads and highways provide a transportation base.

413

Lindley

Testifies that it is not the intent to ignore transportation issues other than roads.

430

Rep. Burley

Asks about redundancies in road-user advisory committees.

443

Pryor

Explains the differences in the system in different areas of the state.

TAPE 26, B

018

Rep. Beyer

Asks about the relationship to the ACTs.

025

Pryor

Explains that in ACTs, all of the different interests are represented.

037

Schlack

Explains that the primary functions of the ACTs are to prioritize projects and that the Local Officials Advisory Committee (LOAC) is more policy oriented between the owners of the systems.

052

Rep. Beyer

Asks if that is how LOAC is currently operating.

055

Schlack

Answers that LOAC should look more at policy.

058

Chair Gilman

Notes that the bill requires the committee to meet six times per year. Asks if the committee met in the last six years.

060

Schlack

Answers yes.

063

Chair Gilman

Asks about the distribution of funds between city, state and county organizations.

072

Schlack

Explains that the HB 2165 fund distribution is open for change.

091

Bruce Warner

Director, ODOT. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony regarding HB 2165 (EXHIBIT D).

214

Rep. Beyer

Asks if LOAC has ever functioned properly.

225

Warner

Explains that LOAC was viable 10-15 years ago.

246

Rep. Beyer

Asks about reporting back to the legislature.

250

Warner

Explains the idea of reporting back to legislature.

259

Rep. Beyer

Notes that there were no reports that determine when LOAC stopped working.

268

Warner

Explains that reporting holds the committees accountable to do what they were intended.

278

Rep. Burley

Commends the work of Mr. Warner. Asks what the downside would be to having a statutory committee.

294

Warner

Answers that flexibility is important to allow all interests to speak frankly about the issues they are facing.

322

Rep. Burley

Asks what is being done to address other committees.

335

Warner

Submits a prepared chart, “The Oregon Transportation Commission and Advisory and Coordinating Entities and Groups” (EXHIBIT E).

361

Chair Gilman

Asks if LOAC keeps minutes.

363

Warner

Answers yes.

376

Willie Tiffany

League of Oregon Cities. Testifies in support of HB 2165 and -1 amendments.

404

Chair Gilman

Closes the public hearing on HB 2165.

406

Rep. Beyer

Notes the importance of communication between entities regarding transportation issues.

414

Rep. Burley

Asks if Judge Pryor, Commissioner Lindley and Art Schlack have seen Mr. Warner’s propositions.

417

Schlack

Answers no.

422

Houser

Hands outs a list of potential members for the work group to address school speed zones.

434

Chair Gilman

Comments it is open to committee members.

444

Rep. Beyer

Asks about the timeline of recommendations.

453

Chair Gilman

Answers that he would like recommendations before the April 8, 2005 meeting. Adjourns the meeting at 2:28 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

  1. HB 2113, -1 amendments, staff, 1 p
  2. HB 2113, prepared summary, Mike Marsh, 4 pp
  3. HB 2165, -1 amendments, staff, 2 pp
  4. HB 2165, prepared testimony, Bruce Warner, 3 pp
  5. HB 2165, Oregon Transportation Commission chart, Bruce Warner, 1 p