HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION
May 6, 2005 Hearing Room C
1:00 P.M. Tapes 62 - 63
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. George Gilman, Chair
Rep. Terry Beyer, Vice-Chair
Rep. Chuck Burley, Vice-Chair
Rep. Deborah Boone
Rep. Scott Bruun
Rep. Dave Hunt
Rep. Kim Thatcher
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator
Mike Reiley, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
HJM 35 – Public Hearing and Work Session
HB 2742 – Work Session
HB 2811 – Work Session
HB 3024 – Work Session
HB 3252 – Work Session
HB 3415 – Work Session
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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Speaker |
Comments |
TAPE 62, A |
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003 |
Chair Gilman |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:12 p.m. Announces that HB 2018, HB 2108 and HB 3019 will not be heard at this time. Opens a public hearing on HJM 35. |
HJM 35 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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008 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HJM 35. |
015 |
Tammy Dennee |
Executive Director, Oregon Wheat Growers League. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HJM 35 and “Frequently Asked Questions About Farm Truck Safety in Oregon” handbook (EXHIBIT A). |
121 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks why the distance criteria for intrastate commerce should be set at 150 miles or less. |
123 |
Dennee |
Answers that it is the statutory language referenced by U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT). |
134 |
Rep. Beyer |
Asks why more fairness was not sought regarding the criteria for interstate commerce. |
142 |
Dennee |
Explains the difficulty of addressing the “intrastate commerce” and “interstate commerce” language. |
173 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks for a clarification of the 150-mile criteria for interstate commerce. Cites language in HJM 35 and asks if the current regulations contain the exemption. |
176 |
Dennee |
Answers that there is an exemption for intrastate commerce and that the objective is to obtain an exemption for interstate commerce. |
188 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks if the current federal regulations exemption specifically addresses interstate or intrastate commerce or if the 150-mile criteria is considered intrastate. |
192 |
Dennee |
Answers yes. |
194 |
Rep. Burley |
Clarifies the exemptions regarding an example of grain being taken to a grain elevator in Oregon being considered interstate commerce. |
200 |
Dennee |
Explains the work that was done with Congress regarding the exemptions and regulations. |
212 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks if it would be preferable to eliminate the 150-mile provision and classify farm vehicles operated within state lines as intrastate commerce, as other commodity haulers are regulated. |
216 |
Dennee |
Answers that she is unsure. Explains that the wheat growers would be pleased with increased freedom to move goods in the state as intrastate commerce, but wonders if the language would satisfy USDOT. |
240 |
Chair Gilman |
Asks if the 150-mile provision would address most of the wheat growers. |
242 |
Dennee |
Answers no, but states that there may be an issue with USDOT in seeking a re-definition of interstate and intrastate commerce. |
250 |
Rep. Thatcher |
States support for HJM 35. |
252 |
Chair Gilman |
References the legislation that addressed the issue during the 2003 Legislative Session. |
255 |
Dennee |
Explains that the intent of the bill is to provide relief to the wheat growers from undue bureaucracy while operating vehicles safely. |
285 |
Rep. Boone |
Asks if Oregon’s congressional delegation has been helpful in addressing the issue. |
289 |
Dennee |
Explains the coordination with Sen. Gordon Smith and Sen. Ron Wyden to write a letter to the Federal Commerce Committee to address the exemptions. Reiterates the intent of the bill. |
335 |
Don Schellenberg |
Associate Director of Governmental Affairs, Oregon Farm Bureau (OFB). Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HJM 35 (EXHIBIT B). |
382 |
Rep. Boone |
Argues for fairness among the states with the definitions of interstate and intrastate commerce. |
400 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks about the application of the exemption and how widespread the interpretation of interstate and intrastate commerce is. |
405 |
Bob Russell |
President, Oregon Trucking Association. Explains the history of the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) and its effect on the issue. |
TAPE 63, A |
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014 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks if log trucks would face the same problem facing interstate and intrastate commerce. |
018 |
Russell |
Answers yes. |
023 |
Rep. Burley |
Wonders if the scope of the issue is larger than is being addressed by the bill. Asks about federal legislation that deals with the issue. |
029 |
Russell |
Explains the exemption for the transportation of agricultural commodities contained in the federal legislation. |
037 |
Dennee |
Notes that the exemption contained in the federal legislation refers to hours of service. |
041 |
Rep. Burley |
Asks for clarification that the exemption does not include other requirements of interstate commerce. |
044 |
Dennee |
Answers yes. |
046 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the public hearing and opens a work session on HJM 35. |
HJM 35 – WORK SESSION |
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050 |
Rep. Hunt |
MOTION: Moves HJM 35 be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. REP. THATCHER will lead discussion on the floor. |
057 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HJM 35. Opens a work session on HB 2742. |
HB 2742 – WORK SESSION |
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060 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 2742 and -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). Explains that the committee received approval to rescind the subsequent referral to the Ways and Means Committee. |
075 |
Rep. Burley |
Describes the work done on the -1 amendments with Troy Costales, Administrator of the Transportation Safety Division, Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) and Scott Bricker of the Bicycle Transportation Alliance & Willamette Pedestrian Coalition. |
090 |
Rep. Burley |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2742-1 amendments dated 4/28/05. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Gilman |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
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Rep. Burley |
MOTION: Moves HB 2742 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the Committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. REP. BURLEY will lead discussion on the floor. |
108 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HB 2742. Opens a work session on HB 2811. |
HB 2811 – WORK SESSION |
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110 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 2811 and -8 amendments (EXHIBIT D). |
125 |
Rep. Bruun |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2811-8 amendments dated 5/3/05. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Gilman |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
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130 |
Rep. Bruun |
MOTION: Moves HB 2811 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. REP. BRUUN will lead discussion on the floor. |
138 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HB 2811. Opens a work session on HB 3024. |
HB 3024 – WORK SESSION |
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144 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 3024 and -1 amendments (EXHIBIT E). Explains that the bill did not receive a public hearing in the committee. States that the committee received approval to rescind the subsequent referral to the Revenue Committee and to refer the bill to the Budget Committee. |
162 |
Mike Marsh |
Deputy Director, Oregon Department of Transportation. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony regarding HB 3024 (EXHIBIT F). |
215 |
Rep. Burley |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3024-1 amendments dated 5/4/05. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Gilman |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
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222 |
Rep. Burley |
MOTION: Moves HB 3024 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the Committee on Revenue BE RESCINDED and BE REFERRED to the Committee on Budget. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. |
245 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HB 3024. Opens a work session on HB 3252. |
HB 3252 – WORK SESSION |
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248 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 3252 and -1 amendments (EXHIBIT G). |
263 |
Chair Gilman |
Explains that the intent of the bill is to maintain the 10 miles per hour (mph) speed differential for trucks if the speed limit is raised to 70 mph. |
273 |
Rep. Hunt |
Asks if input from safety officials has been received about the effect on safety from the changes contained in the amendments. |
280 |
Chair Gilman |
Answers that he has not received input. States that there is conflicting information about the effectiveness of a speed differential. |
288 |
Rep. Hunt |
Solicits comment from the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). |
293 |
Troy Costales |
Transportation Safety Division Manager, ODOT. Reports that there are different studies that reach different conclusions about the effectiveness of a speed differential. |
312 |
Rep. Hunt |
Asks what the likely speed differential would be if the bill was passed. |
320 |
Costales |
Answers that the speed differential provision of the bill would only apply when the passenger vehicle speed limit is 70 mph. |
336 |
Rep. Burley |
Explains that the -1 amendments give ODOT the flexibility to change the speed differential when appropriate. |
340 |
Costales |
Concurs. |
345 |
Chair Gilman |
Explains a memo indicating that that if a 10 mph differential was available when the ODOT traffic study was done, the speed limit for passenger vehicles may have been set at 70 mph. |
363 |
Rep. Thatcher |
Argues that raising the speed limit to 70 mph will not change driving habits. |
372 |
Chair Gilman |
Concurs. |
385 |
Rep. Thatcher |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3252-1 amendments dated 5/2/05. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Gilman |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
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390 |
Rep. Thatcher |
MOTION: Moves HB 3252 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
395 |
Rep. Boone |
States that she will vote no and argues that people will drive faster than the speed limit even if it is raised. |
405 |
Rep. Hunt |
States that he will support the bill in committee, but is undecided on his support for the bill. |
TAPE 62, B |
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007 |
Rep. Bruun |
States that he shares the concerns of Rep. Boone and Rep. Hunt. Notes that ODOT has the ability but not the mandate to change speed limits. |
018 |
Rep. Beyer |
Notes her concerns with the bill and states that she is unsure if she will support the bill . |
023 |
Chair Gilman |
States that the intent is to give ODOT the ability to set speed limits at appropriate levels to maintain safety. |
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VOTE: 6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Beyer, Bruun, Burley, Hunt, Thatcher, Gilman NAY: 1 - Boone |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. |
042 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HB 3252. Opens a work session on HB 3415. |
HB 3415 – WORK SESSION |
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045 |
Patrick Brennan |
Committee Administrator. Introduces HB 3415 and -4 amendments (EXHIBIT H), -2 amendments (EXHIBIT I) and -5 amendments (EXHBIT J). |
067 |
Rep. Hunt |
Addresses the amendments and points out that they represent various policy decisions. States that his preference is for the bill without amendments. |
130 |
Rep. Thatcher |
Expresses support for the -5 amendments. |
138 |
Rep. Boone |
Expresses support for the -5 amendments. Asks if highways not designated as freight routes are a lower priority for modernization funds. |
163 |
Joan Plank |
Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Explains freight route designations and modernization funding priorities. |
183 |
Rep. Boone |
Asks for a clarification of the -5 amendments. |
185 |
Plank |
Clarifies the effect of the amendments and freight route designations. |
191 |
Rep. Hunt |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3415-5 amendments dated 5/6/05. |
195 |
Rep. Beyer |
States her opposition to the bill. |
213 |
Rep. Hunt |
Explains that if funding had been allocated for projects of statewide significance in the 2003 Legislative Session, the projects would be closer to completion. Argues that taking action presently will benefit the projects. |
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VOTE: 7-0-0 |
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Chair Gilman |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
242 |
Rep. Hunt |
Asks for a clarification of the process regarding HB 3415. |
244 |
Brennan |
Explains that the bill has a subsequent referral to the Ways and Means Committee. |
266 |
Chair Gilman |
Recesses the meeting at 2:25 p.m. Reconvenes the meeting at 2:33 p.m. |
270 |
Rep. Hunt |
MOTION: Moves HB 3415 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the Committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED. |
277 |
Rep. Beyer |
Reiterates her opposition to the bill due to the uncertainty of funding for projects. |
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VOTE: 6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Boone, Bruun, Burley, Hunt, Thatcher, Gilman NAY: 1 - Beyer |
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Chair Gilman |
The motion CARRIES. REP. HUNT will lead discussion on the floor. |
The following material is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Arthur J. Schlack |
Policy Manager, Association of Oregon Counties. Submits prepared testimony in support of HB 3415 (EXHIBIT K). |
300 |
Chair Gilman |
Closes the work session on HB 3415. Adjourns the meeting at 2:35 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY