HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

May 11, 2005 Hearing Room C

1:00 P.M.  Tapes 66 - 67

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. George Gilman, Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. Chuck Burley, Vice-Chair

Rep. Deborah Boone

Rep. Scott Bruun

Rep. Dave Hunt

Rep. Kim Thatcher

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Mike Reiley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:

SB 595-A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3374 – Public Hearing

HB 2608 – Work Session

                                                HB 2655 – Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 66, A

003

Chair Gilman

Calls the meeting to order at 1:10 p.m.  Opens a public hearing on     SB 595-A.

SB 595-A – PUBLIC HEARING

007

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator.  Introduces SB 595-A.

015

Sen. Betsy Johnson

Senate District 16.  Explains the intent of SB 595-A.  Relates the impact of duty limitations on fire fighting.

037

Mark Gibson

General Manager of Aircraft Operations, Timberland Logging.  Submits and summarizes written testimony in support of SB 595-A (EXHIBIT A).

085

Rep. Hunt

Asks why a 72-hour timeframe is necessary.

089

Gibson

Explains the 72 hours allow the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to make an emergency declaration.

100

Rep. Hunt

Requests assurance the 72-hour period is not too long or too short.

105

Gibson

Defers to ODOT regarding the timeframe.

110

Gregg Dal Ponte

Motor Carrier Division Administrator, ODOT.  Relates the need for a 72-hour timeframe.

116

Rep. Burley

Requests confirmation that the bill takes the federal exemption and applies it to the state.

124

Dal Ponte

Confirms, yes, providing clarification.

133

Rep. Burley

Requests confirmation the bill does not seek exemptions beyond those already provided at the federal level.  Notes firefighters have been pulled off of fires due to uncertainties regarding exemptions.

139

Dal Ponte

Responds.  Explains the provisions to allow emergency work to continue.

151

Chair Gilman

Closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 595-A.

SB 595-A – WORK SESSION

154

Rep. Hunt

MOTION:  Moves SB 595-A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

158

Rep. Boone

States support for the bill.

165

 

VOTE:  7-0-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Gilman

The motion CARRIES.

 

166

Rep. Burley

MOTION:  Moves SB 595-A be placed on the CONSENT CALENDAR.

169

 

VOTE:  7-0-0

 

Chair Gilman

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

170

Chair Gilman

Closes the work session on SB 595-A.  Opens a public hearing on     HB 3374.

HB 3374 – PUBLIC HEARING

173

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator.  Introduces HB 3374 and references the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT B), which are a complete replacement of the bill.

186

Art Schlack

Association of Oregon Counties (AOC).  Explains the -2 gut-and-stuff amendments related to car registrations.

241

Rep. Thatcher

Inquires what the consequences are if vehicles are not titled within 30 days.

242

Schlack

Relates that other statutes impose penalties.

246

Robin Freeman

ODOT.  Offers to provide the penalties imposed.

250

Schlack

Discusses the fines and sting operation conducted in Washington State on those not registering their vehicles.

261

Freeman

Notes ODOT does not have a problem with the -2 amendments.

267

Chair Gilman

Asks if Ms. Freeman has had the opportunity to review the -2 amendments.

268

Freeman

Confirms, yes, and clarifies the -2 amendments.

277

Rep. Bruun

Inquires about the criteria for obtaining a driver license and whether the two are synchronized.

279

Freeman

Explains the criteria are synchronized.  Lists the criteria.

293

Rep. Bruun

Asks if there is a time criteria for the driver license.

297

Freeman

Responds no, adding that it is instead tied in with registration and titling.

299

Chair Gilman

Questions the extent of the problem and whether the bill is necessary. 

305

Schlack

Answers ODOT does not collect that data.  Comments that the instances are rare.

325

Rep. Burley

Wonders what problem is being addressed and whether the bill will increase enforcement.  Asks why the bill is not also addressing the driver license.

341

Schlack

Notes AOC did not examine the driver license issue and reiterates the intent for the bill.

356

Rep. Thatcher

Requests clarification of the problem being addressed.

363

Schlack

Explains the intent is to encourage people to register their vehicles sooner.  Provides example, noting present requirements are unclear.

384

Freeman

Notes the department is neutral.

387

Rep. Burley

Inquires about the possibility of including driver license amendments.

390

Freeman

Mentions the possibility of consequences and the need to review any language.

395

Rep. Hunt

Questions the timeframe in neighboring states.

404

Schlack

Responds with times in California and Washington.

410

Rep. Burley

Comments on the value of addressing both issues together.

415

Rep. Thatcher

Reiterates her question of what problem is being solved.

425

Chair Gilman

Closes the public hearing on HB 3374.  Opens a work session on      HB 2608.

HB 2608 – WORK SESSION

431

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator.  Introduces HB 2608.  Mentions the -2 (EXHIBIT C) and -3 amendments (EXHIBIT D) and the Real ID Act Requirements submitted by Robin Freeman (EXHIBIT E).

444

Chair Gilman

Explains the purpose of the -2 and -3 amendments.

470

Brennan

Further reviews the amendments.

TAPE 67, A

024

Rep. Bruun

Notes the perceived economic hardship on the migrant community and recommends the inclusion of a driving privilege card to address that concern.  Notes he supports the -2 amendments.

048

Rep. Boone

Requests Rep. Bruun explain economic hardship.

050

Rep. Bruun

Explains the importance of allowing workers to get to work.

063

Rep. Hunt

Supports the -2 amendments.

087

Rep. Thatcher

Expresses concern about a driving privilege card that expires after eight years.  Recommends a one-year renewal.

097

Lorna Youngs

Administrator, Driver and Motor Vehicles Division (DMV), ODOT.  Discusses compliance issues.

114

Chair Gilman

Inquires about the one- versus eight-year renewal.

116

Youngs

Mentions Utah has a one-year driving privilege card.

124

Rep. Thatcher

Speaks in favor of the -3 amendment.

135

Rep. Burley

Relates the value of emigrant workers studying to become safe drivers.  Asks about the Real ID Act.

145

Youngs

Explains the provisions of the Real ID Act as recently decided upon by the congressional conference committee.

160

Rep. Burley

Requests confirmation no federal funding would be lost.

166

Youngs

Confirms the department’s understanding.  Notes there is no federal dollar penalty.  Relates the driver license compact.

206

Rep. Burley

Comments on the need to coordinate the expiration dates.

216

Youngs

Mentions the silence on expiration dates.

229

Rep. Burley

Questions the expiration date of driver licenses.

234

Youngs

Relates the provision of the act to tie together expiration dates.

239

Rep. Bruun

Inquires regarding the logic behind the one-year renewal of the driving privilege card.

245

Rep. Thatcher

Responds.  Explains the importance of consistency.

264

Chair Gilman

Agrees eight years is too long.

269

Rep. Hunt

Asks if the language is what makes the bill comply with federal requirements.

277

Youngs

Relates that is her understanding from the Real ID Act language.

286

Rep. Hunt

Expresses concern about the fiscal impact in charging for one year as opposed to a longer term of licensure.

300

Youngs

Affirms there would be a greater fiscal impact.  Notes only 2.6 percent of the population would be affected.

314

Chair Gilman

Requests estimates of the fiscal impact of the -2 and -3 amendments.

315

Youngs

Reports the fiscal impact expectations for the -2 amendments.  Explains ODOT’s application for a grant.  Estimates the need for seven FTE with the driving privilege card.

362

Rep. Thatcher

Asks if the costs would be covered.

371

Youngs

Explains initial up-front and carrying costs.

391

Rep. Thatcher

Requests the fiscal impact from the -3 amendments.

393

Youngs

Estimates $100,000 or less.

398

Rep. Thatcher

Inquires if there would be the set-up costs of a new card in the -2 amendments.

400

Youngs

Discusses the agreement ODOT has with their supplier.

426

Rep. Jeff Kropf

House District 17.  Explains the intent of the Real ID Act.  Testifies in opposition to the -2 amendments and in support of the -3 amendments. 

TAPE 66, B

002

Rep. Kropf

Continues testimony.  Notes a driving privilege card damages the intent of the Real ID Act.

034

Rep. Bruun

Reiterates his desire to pass a clean bill and discusses the political realities of getting a bill passed.  Asks about the economic hardship on migrant workers.

051

Rep. Kropf

Acknowledges that economic hardship is a valid point.  Relates his experiences riding with a state trooper in his district.  Argues the driving privilege card is a disincentive to those wishing to stay hidden.

082

Rep. Thatcher

Concurs with Rep. Kropf.  Discusses drivers with suspended licenses.

092

Rep. Hunt

Relates the -2 amendments appear to be in accord with the intent of the congressional conference committee action.

121

Chair Gilman

Asks if allowing the legislation to die would be worse than passing the -2 amendments.

128

Rep. Kropf

Relates he is unsure about the potential response on the Senate side to the -3 amendments.  Explains the importance of addressing illegal immigration in Oregon.  Discusses necessary consequences to behaviors.

191

Rep. Burley

Concurs with Rep. Kropf.  Expresses concern about burdening DMV with enforcing federal immigration rules.

211

Rep. Kropf

Notes that the driver license has become a de facto national identification card.  States support for the DMV.

241

Rep. Thatcher

Reports she does not see the issue as putting immigration issues on the DMV.

255

Rep. Kropf

Concludes testimony.

275

Rep. Beyer

States she prefers the -2 amendments.  Comments on the dependence of the Oregon economy on migrant workers.

298

Chair Gilman

Closes the work session on HB 2608.  Opens a work session on        HB 2655.

HB 2655 – WORK SESSION

306

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator.  Introduces HB 2655 and the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT F).  References written information regarding Smokey Bear (EXHIBIT G).

342

Rep. Bruun

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2655-1 amendments dated 04/06/05.

348

 

VOTE:  7-0-0

 

Chair Gilman

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

355

Rep. Bruun

MOTION:  Moves HB 2655 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the Committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED and BE REFERRED to the Committee on Budget.

368

Rep. Beyer

Relates she supports the intent of the bill, but will be voting against it.

389

 

VOTE:  6-1-0

AYE:               6 - Boone, Bruun, Burley, Hunt, Thatcher, Gilman

NAY:               1 - Beyer

 

Chair Gilman

The motion CARRIES.

411

Chair Gilman

Closes the work session on HB 2655.  Notes HB 2608 will be heard Monday, May 16, 2005.  Adjourns the meeting at 2:30 p.m.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

  1. SB 595-A, written testimony, Mark Gibson, 3 pp
  2. HB 3374, -2 amendments, staff, 8 pp
  3. HB 2608, -2 amendments, staff, 17 pp
  4. HB 2608, -3 amendments, staff, 15 pp
  5. HB 2608, Real ID Act Requirements, Robin Freeman, 2 pp
  6. HB 2655, -1 amendments, staff, 4 pp
  7. HB 2655, Smokey Bear story and song, Robin Freeman, 2 pp