SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE

 

February 21, 2005                                                                                                   Hearing Room D

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes  28 - 31

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Vicki Walker, Chair

Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Jeff Kruse

Sen. Bill Morrisette

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Marjorie Taylor, Committee Administrator

Dawn Tuso, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:

                                                Oregon University System (OUS) - Informational Meeting

                                                SB 414 – Work Session

                                                SB 342 – Public Hearing

                                                SB 369 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 28, A

005

Chair Walker

Calls meeting to order at 3:08 p.m. Opens informational meeting on the Oregon University System (OUS).

OREGON UNIVERSITY SYSTEM - INFORMATIONAL  MEETING

013

George Pernsteiner

Acting Chancellor, Oregon University System. Submits written material (EXHIBIT A). Gives a brief introduction of the Oregon University System.

030

Tim Nesbitt

Member of the higher education board. Talks about work groups. Talks about affordability gap. Discusses model for the Oregon Opportunity Grant. States that he would like to provide the opportunity of the Oregon Opportunity Grant to all students who apply, year round without a cut off deadline. Talks about the shock of the cost of tuition and how grant funding alleviates that shock. Mentions the Challenge Grant. Wants to extend the opportunity to part time college students. States that cost should not be an overwhelming deterrent for individuals wanting a college education.

123

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if past studies have been looked at to be built upon.

130

Nesbitt

Replies yes.

133

Sen. Morrisette

Talks about incentive ideas for graduating high school students for college funding.

145

Nesbitt

Agrees that it is a good idea.  

150

Sen. Morrisette

Asks for clarification regarding the acronym OSAC.

152

Nesbitt

Clarifies that OSAC is the Oregon Student Assistance Commission.

155

Chair Walker

Asks if the working group existed before the restructuring of the higher ed board.

158

Nesbitt

Replies yes.

160

Chair Walker

Talks about work groups and effectiveness.

168

Nesbitt

Responds.

183

Sen. Deckert

Expresses interest in a flat grant. Asks if that is the direction Oregon is moving in.

192

Nesbitt

States that Oregon is moving in that direction. Reports that the rate of increase is much higher for public institutions rather than private institutions.

207

Sen. Deckert

Wants to accelerate the process to move into the direction of a flat grant.

220

Nesbitt

States that it has been discussed at great length and that the decision has been made to move in that direction.

226

Sen. Deckert

Asks question regarding using the Oregon Opportunity Grant as the primary vehicle for the constitutional dedicated funding source.

235

Nesbitt

Explains future of funding options.

247

Chair Walker

Agrees that a plan is needed. Considers looking at a ten year plan. Knows that the Opportunity Grant is pivotal.

269

Pernsteiner

Reports that the OUS serves more than 80,000 students and that there are about 2,500 regular faculty. States that the OUS is a $ 2.2 billion a year enterprise of which 17 percent comes from state appropriations.  Reports that the OUS receives $300 million a year from the federal government and private sources.

315

Pernsteiner

Talks about the OUS performance and accountability framework (EXHIBIT A, Page 2). Talks about student success, retention, and graduation rates. Discusses affordability. Reports that universities are offering debt counseling to their students.

402

Chair Walker

Asks, at what point during a student’s enrollment do they receive debt counseling.  

415

Pernsteiner

Replies that it varies from campus to campus.

TAPE 29, A

001

Pernsteiner

Stresses the question of how to make sure that students graduate with as little debt as possible.

011

Chair Walker

States that it is critical for students to be sure that they are on the right track. Talks about loan availability and the lack of good financial guidance programs. States that the committee will be having a meeting about financial illiteracy. Shares interest in receiving a report back on how the financial guidance counseling process is going and how the students are receiving the information.

027

Pernsteiner

Talks about transfer credits.

043

Pernsteiner

Shares focus on advanced placement classes in high schools and bottleneck courses at the universities. Mentions higher education work groups.

046

Chair Walker

Asks if the work groups are listed in the material.

048

Pernsteiner

Replies no.

049

Chair Walker

Asks for information regarding the work groups.

050

Pernsteiner

Agrees to get the information to the committee.

055

Pernsteiner

Talks about the work groups and their focus areas.

080

Chair Walker

Asks, if a student needs a course to graduate and it is not offered at the college or university, can that student take the course at another college or university and transfer the credits in.  

092

Pernsteiner

Replies that there may be a number of options for the student depending on the institution.

099

Chair Walker

Asks about sequence classes.

105

Pernsteiner

Replies that they are being addressed.

113

Pernsteiner

Shares that the focus has been to find a way, without diluting academic quality, to help students move through the educational process more effectively and more quickly.

120

Pernsteiner

Continues discussion on work groups.

140

Pernsteiner

Talks about long range planning Pre-K through continuing education.

147

Pernsteiner

Talks about Chancellor’s office. States that the board has decentralized authority to campuses. Discusses tuition mitigation efforts.

172

Chair Walker

Asks if there is a document that shows how the money was saved.

174

Pernsteiner

Replies that it can be provided.

182

Chair Walker

Asks if the money was spent in areas other than tuition mitigation.

184

Pernsteiner

Explains how the money was used.

203

Pernsteiner

Talks about review being done on the controller’s division and the human resources division. Mentions the creation of the provost council. Discusses new financial policies and requirements.

240

Pernsteiner

Discusses the 2005-07 budget initiative. Talks about affordability and tuition moderation.

290

Chair Walker

Agrees that we need a plan. Expresses concerns about accountability with the decentralized structure of the Chancellor’s office.

335

Sen. Deckert

Asks about the two percent increase. Says, “as we look into the out years, Oregon  has become more reliant on federal transfers that are undoubtedly being cut.” Talks about investing in excellence. Asks if Oregon can continue with the current structure of seven universities.

388

Pernsteiner

Feels that we will be faced with the necessity for increased and consistent investment by the state. States that, for us to succeed as a state, we must do two things and do them well. Says that we must find a way to provide every Oregonian with a post secondary education. Believes that the opportunity has to be for quality. Talks about intellectual capital around the world.

TAPE 28, B

010

Sen. Deckert

Hopes that the really difficult choices are confronted.  

022

Chair Walker

Clarifies that Sen. Deckert is talking about what is going on in Washington right now.

030

Sen. Deckert

Replies that Oregon has more campuses than Washington with one third less the population of Washington.

038

Karen Sprague

Vice Provost for Undergraduate Studies, University of Oregon. Discusses problems with the transfer process. Talks about the Associate of Arts Oregon Transfer Degree. Discusses the General Education Oregon Transfer Module (OTM). Talks about the focus on general education. Discusses ways the OTM helps.

130

Sprague

Gives an overview of the two OTM packages offered. Talks about maximizing OTM effectiveness.

170

Sprague

Reads an Oregon State University example of what would qualify as a transferable course.

190

Sprague

Continues to talk about maximizing OTM effectiveness. Discusses course equivalencies based on outcomes.

205

Sen. Kruse

Asks what is wrong with students taking lower level courses in a particular area to fulfill the graduation requirement.

214

Sprague

Explains that some students do not have interest in taking courses that do not apply to the students’ major or area of interest.

228

Sen. Kruse

Says that college is supposed to be challenging. Wonders why what has worked in the past is not working now.

242

Sprague

Responds with regret that some students are not interested in the beginning courses in the discipline areas. States that it seems to be a pattern.

258

Sen. Kruse

Talks about benefit of taking interdisciplinary courses.

285

Valerie Ward

Dean of Business and Social Science, Mount Hood Community College. Submits informational packet including information on the articulation transfer linked degree audit system Oregon (ATLAS) (EXHIBIT B). Talks about ATLAS.

355

Cindy Baccar

Associate Director, Portland State university. Talks about the Course Applicability System (CAS). Offers a brief background regarding the implementation of the system. Provides an example of how to use CAS online.

TAPE 29, B

001

Baccar

Continues to provide example of how to use CAS.

025

Baccar

Discusses CAS capabilities.

045

Chair Walker

Asks if students can get their transcript information from CAS.

050

Baccar

Replies, not yet.

080

Chair Walker

 Closes informational meeting and opens work session on SB 414.

SB 414 - WORK SESSION

085

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview on SB 414 (EXHIBIT C). States that SB 414 has a subsequent referral to the Revenue committee.

088

Chair Walker

Explains why she wants to move SB 414 today.

095

Sen. Kruse

Says that he is not opposed to the concept but that he doesn’t want SB 414 to go to Revenue. States that he will be voting no because he would like to see that the funding cuts to head start be restored first.

102

Sen. C. Starr

States that he is ready to move SB 414 to Revenue but shares concern regarding funding.

111

Sen. Morrisette

States that he is supportive of half day kindergarten only but will move SB 414 to Revenue.

115

Chair Walker

Reports that she is doing some research to find out who is advising Title 1 schools in how to access money available for extended day kindergarten.

121

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB  414 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue.

122

 

VOTE:  4-1-0

AYE:               4 - Deckert, Morrisette, Starr C., Walker

NAY:               1 - Kruse

 

Chair Walker

The motion CARRIES.

 

129

Chair Walker

Closes work session on SB 414 and opens public hearing on SB 369 and SB 342.

SB 342 & SB 369 – PUBLIC HEARING

130

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 369 (EXHIBIT D) and SB 342 (EXHIBIT E).

157

Sen. Schrader

Represents Senate District 20. Testifies in support of SB 342.

228

Chair Walker

Points out that all individuals signed up to testify on SB 342 and SB 369 have specified opposition to both bills.               

236

Sen. Courtney

Represents Senate District 11. Testifies in support of SB 369. Submits and reads written testimony (EXHIBIT F). Points out a correction on the written testimony being that there are 17 community colleges in Oregon, not 19 community colleges.

335

Sen. Courtney

States that the Oregon Transfer Module (OTM) is a remarkable thing.

348

Sen. Kruse

Asks Sen. Courtney if he would have opposition to advanced placement classes being included. Asks what the major objection is to SB 369.

356

Sen. Courtney

Replies that he would not have objection. Replies that he does not know the answer to Sen. Kruse’s second question.

410

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if he has a curriculum guide.

415

Sen. Courtney

Responds yes.

420

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if he wants the schools throughout the state to have an identical curriculum guide. Asks if the schools have that now.

427

Sen. Courtney

Replies that he does not know the answer to the question. Says that he used a simplistic approach in SB 369.

TAPE 30, A

005

Sen. Courtney

Talks about core curriculum.

023

Sen. Morrisette

States that a common curriculum guide might be useless because courses are taught differently. Says that he sees real problems with saying that all 101 level courses are the same because they are all taught differently.

030

Sen. Courtney

Responds that the hope is that there would be a minimum standard that would be adhered to.

035

Sen. Deckert

Talks about work group that has been working on dealing with the issues discussed. 

047

Sen. Courtney

Remarks that the student should come first.

055

Sen. C. Starr

Talks about the issue of courses not aligning with the university system across the board.

085

Joanne Truesdell

Assistant Commissioner, Community Colleges and Workforce Development. Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369 as drafted.

105

Elaine Yandle-Roth

Community College and Workforce Development Education Specialist. Submits written testimony on SB 342 (EXHIBIT G) and SB 369 (EXHIBIT H). Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369.

179

Agnes Hoffman

Associate Vice Provost, Portland State University. Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369. Submits written testimony on SB 342 (EXHIBIT I) and SB 369 (EXHIBIT J).

260

Andrea Henderson

Executive Director, Oregon Community College Association. Submits written testimony on SB 342 (EXHIBIT K) and SB 369 (EXHIBIT L). Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369.

290

Ed Watson

Vice-President, Academic Affairs, Linn Benton Community College. Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369.

345

Karen Sprague

Vice Provost for Undergraduate Studies, University of Oregon. Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369.

387

Bob Turner

Associate Professor, Western Oregon University. Testifies in opposition to SB 342 and SB 369. Submits written testimonyon SB 342 (EXHIBIT M) and SB 369 (EXHIBIT N).

TAPE 31, A

005

Turner

Continues testimony.

030

Sen. Kruse

Comments that the content is what is relevant. Feels that the issue is important and that the legislature needs to move forward with the issue.

040

Chair Walker

Adjourns the meeting at 5:40 p.m.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

  1. Oregon University System, System Overview, George Pernsteiner, 8 pp
  2. Oregon University System, Transfer Course Applicability System information, Valerie Ward, 11 pp
  3. SB 414, staff, 5 pp
  4. SB 369, staff, 1 p
  5. SB 342, staff, 1 p
  6. SB 369, written testimony, Sen. Peter Courtney,  2 pp
  7. SB 342, written testimony, Elaine Yandle-Roth, 19 pp
  8. SB 369, written testimony, Elaine Yandle-Roth, 19 pp
  9. SB 342, written testimony, Agnes Hoffman, 1 p
  10. SB 369, written testimony, Agnes Hoffman, 1 p
  11. SB 342, written testimony, Andrea Henderson, 1 p
  12. SB 369, written testimony, Andrea Henderson, 1 p
  13. SB 342, written testimony, Bob Turner, 4 pp
  14. SB 369, written testimony, Bob Turner, 4 pp