SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE

 

 

March 02, 2005                                                                                                       Hearing Room D

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes  38 - 40

Corrected 10/19/05

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Vicki Walker, Chair

Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Jeff Kruse

Sen. Bill Morrisette

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Marjorie Taylor, Committee Administrator

Dawn Tuso, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

                                                Common School Fund - Informational Meeting

SB 383 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 325 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 467 – Public Hearing and Work Session

 

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 38, A

005

Chair Walker

Calls meeting to order at 3:00 p.m. Mentions thesis on the History of the Irreducible School Fund in Oregon, written by Norman Ray Hawk in 1949.

023

Chair Walker

Opens informational meeting on the common school fund.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING – COMMON SCHOOL FUND

024

Ann Hanus

Director, Department of State Lands (DSL). Submits informational packet including a PowerPoint handout, a 2004 report on the in-lieu lands for schools in some western states, and brochure (EXHIBIT A). Discusses:

  • DSL Mission
  • DSL Purpose
  • State Land Board
  • Attorney General’s Opinion – common school fund (CSF)
  •  CSF
  • History of the CSF

120

Chair Walker

Mentions situation where 30 politicians and one US senator went to jail over a fraud scheme.

124

Hanus

Replies yes.

134

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • History of the CSF

147

Chair Walker

Talks about scenario where land was offered for no money down.

151

Hanus

Replies that it is true.

159

Chair Walker

Says that Oregon did not do a good job at managing the land.

164

Hanus

Replies yes. Explains situation.

185

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Changes quadruple fund
  • CSF Value
  • CSF distribution to schools
  • Distribution formula changes
  • Funds distribution by CSF
  • Where the money comes from
  • Land management

289

Chair Walker

Asks what permit fees and fines they receive.

290

Hanus

Explains that the permit fees are primarily from the removal fill program.

295

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Land management

308

Chair Walker

Mentions the wave energy project in Reedsport. Asks if they will receive money from that project.

310

Hanus

Replies yes.

313

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Land management

339

Chair Walker

Asks about Arizona making money off of a resort that they built on some land.

340

Hanus

Replies yes and explains. Talks about leasing out land for commercial development.

366

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if we have water rights in Oregon.

368

Hanus

Replies yes.

370

Sen. Kruse

Says that Arizona purchases most of their water.

377

Sen. Morrisette

Clarifies that there is a large subterranean reservoir that is being drawn on in Arizona. Asks who has the water rights to the reservoir.

384

Hanus

Replies that she does not know who has the water rights.  

385

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Land management

395

Chair Walker

Asks where the bulk of the lands are located.

397

Hanus

Replies the range lands in southeastern Oregon.

400

Chair Walker

Asks if the lands are leased out to ranchers.

402

Hanus

Replies yes. Says they may be leased out for other purposes as well.

410

Chair Walker

Talks about geothermal sites in Oregon.

415

Hanus

States that there are some areas in Oregon that could be potentially valuable.

418

Sen. Morrisette

Asks about the three-mile limit. Talks about the fishery. Asks about licensing royalties.

419

Hanus

Says Oregon does not receive royalties from the fish industry.

TAPE 39, A

005

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Land management
  • Submerged and submersible lands
  • Forest lands

028

Sen. Kruse

Mentions that ten years ago it could have been a much different scale.

033

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • South slough reserve
  • Unclaimed property

051

Chair Walker

Asks how long property is held before the state takes ownership of it.

053

Hanus

Explains.

057

Chair Walker

Asks what the oldest money is that is being held on to. 

058

Hanus

Replies that she is unsure, but that it is pretty old.

063

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Estate administration

070

Sen. Kruse

Asks if they are separate in perpetuities.

072

Hanus

Responds that they are not part of the in perpetuity.

078

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Removal-Fill program
  • Major CSF issues

120

Chair Walker

Asks about a 1992 court ruling where Oregon was owed approximately 5,200 acres of land by the federal government. Asks why it is taking so long to get the land and where they are in the process.

128

Hanus

Defers to Steve Purchase to provide information.

132

Steve Purchase

Assistant Director, Department of State Lands. Addresses Sen. Walker’s question regarding the court case in Oregon.

162

Chair Walker

Asks if Oregon paid interest on what we owed.

163

Purchase

Replies no.

165

Chair Walker

Asks if DSL is negotiating for land primarily in Deschutes County.

168

Purchase

Replies yes and explains in detail.

200

Chair Walker

Asks when DSL expects to have the balance of the 3,200 acres resolved.

202

Purchase

Replies approximately two years and explains in detail.

245

Hanus

Continues discussion on:

  • Major CSF issues
  • Initiatives to boost CSF value
  • Sell isolated tracts of land
  • Pursue in-lieu lands
  • Planned agency organization
  • Asset management plan
  • Oregon Department of State Lands Common School Fund overview

290

Chuck Bennett

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators. Discusses involvement with the CSF. Talks about beneficiary activities. Talks about activity with the DSL budget.

375

Chair Walker

Thanks Ann Hanus for her work and involvement.

384

Bennett

Expresses excitement about the project.

392

Sen. Morrisette

Asks about natural resources within a three-mile limit on the land.

398

Bennett

Explains.

410

Tricia Smith

Oregon School Employees Association. Discusses involvement with the CSF.

TAPE 38, B

010

John Marshall

Oregon School Boards Association. Talks about involvement with the CSF.

030

Laurie Wimmer Whelan

Oregon Education Association. Talks about involvement with the CSF. Mentions SB 845.

046

Chair Walker

Asks what committee SB 845 is in right now.

047

Wimmer Whelan

Replies that it is assigned to the Senate Revenue Committee.

048

Andi Jordan

Parent Teacher Association. Talks about support for the CSF.

059

Chair Walker

Points out that Ann Hanus initiated contact with Sen. Walker.  

069

Chair Walker

Closes informational meeting and opens public hearing on SB 383.

SB 383 – PUBLIC HEARING

075

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 383. Mentions written testimony submitted for the record without public testimony by Diana Gordon from the Oregon Health Science University (EXHIBIT B).

082

Rep. Betty Komp

Represents House District 22. Testifies in support of SB 383. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

104

Sen. Deckert

Represents Senate District. Testifies in support of SB 383. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D).

137

Kelly Peterson

Humane Society of United States. Testifies in support of SB 383. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).

168

Chair Walker

Asks how many students do not want to dissect animals.

177

Peterson

Replies that she doesn’t have an exact figure to provide.

192

Sen. Kruse

Says that he doesn’t think the number is important.

193

Chair Walker

Agrees.

201

Paula Wilson

Multnomah County Resident. Testifies in support of SB 383.

240

Dr. Courtney Dillard

Professor, Willamette University. Testifies in support of SB 383.

273

Marcia Keith

Oregon Veterinary Medical Association. Testifies on SB 383. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT F). Expresses concerns with SB 383.

333

Chair Walker

Says, by the time a veterinary student enters college, they should know that they are going to have to dissect something.

335

Keith

Responds that it would seem so but that there have been times when newly graduated veterinarians have had virtually no experience with dissection.

347

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing  on SB 383 and opens a work session on SB 383.

SB 383 – WORK SESSION

350

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB  383 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

354

Sen. Kruse

Comments that SB 383 offers some flexibility in the K-12 system and feels that it is an appropriate move.

365

 

VOTE:  5-0-0

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. DECKERT will lead discussion on the floor.

375

Chair Walker

Closes the work session and opens a public hearing on SB 325.

SB 325 – PUBLIC HEARING

380

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 325. States that there is a subsequent referral to Revenue.

392

Sen. Morrisette

Represents Senate District 6. Testifies in support of SB 325.

415

Bob Cassidy

Lane County resident. Testifies in support of SB 325. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G).

TAPE 39, B

005

Cassidy

Continues testimony on SB 325.

029

Don Bishoff

Legislative Assistant, Sen. Morrisette’s Office. Testifies on SB 325.

032

Sen. C. Starr

Comments that he is enthusiastically supportive of SB 325. Says he would like to see it go to the Revenue committee.

048

Susan Boyanovsky

Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development. Testifies on SB 325. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

077

Sen. Kruse

Talks about the budget constraints that community colleges are under. Says that SB 325 offers a method of allowing people who may not otherwise be able to access community college to do so. Asks why she would be neutral to SB 325 when it increases opportunity.

083

Boyanovsky

Explains.

090

Ed Glad

United Brotherhood of Carpenters. Testifies in opposition to SB 325. Reports that, if the apprenticeship programs are taken out, he would support SB 325.

158

Chair Walker

Thinks that SB 325 will be moved to Revenue.

164

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing and opens a work session on SB 325.

SB 325 – WORK SESSION

165

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB  325 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue.

168

Sen. Morrisette

Addresses concerns of Ed Glad. Says that he does not see the connection between the apprenticeship program and the students in general. Says that he does not think it would make a difference to remove the apprenticeship program.

180

 

VOTE:  5-0-0

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

184

Chair Walker

Closes work session and opens public hearing on SB 467.

SB 467 – PUBLIC HEARING

193

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 467. States that there is a subsequent referral to Ways and Means.

202

Rep. Debi Farr

Represents House District 14. Testifies in support of SB 467.

247

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Represents Senate District 14. Testifies in support of SB 467. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I).

280

Pat Farr

Executive Director, Food for Lane County. Testifies in support of SB 467.

380

Joyce Dougherty

Oregon Department of Education. Testifies in support of SB 467. Submits written testimony, SB 287 from 2003, and the 2004 SB 287 Report to the Interim Committees on Education (EXHIBIT J).

TAPE 40, A

005

Dougherty

Continues testimony on SB 467.

026

Sen. Kruse

Thanks the Department of Education.

030

Tina Kotek

Policy Director, Children First for Oregon. Testifies in support of SB 467. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K).

053

Ellen Lowe

Legislative Advocate, Oregon Food Bank. Testifies in support of SB 467.

100

Norene Goplen

Lead Convener, Oregon Faith Roundtable Against Hunger. Testifies in support of SB 467. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT L).

172

Phillip Kennedy Wong

Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon. Testifies in support of SB 467. Submits list of eligible schools of >50% free and reduced eligibility (EXHIBIT M).

210

Cynthia Hanna

Community member. Testifies in support of SB 467.

252

Chair Walker

Mentions comment regarding food stamps not increasing during the summer months.

258

Sen. C. Starr

Comments that “Cynthia Hanna is a wonderful mother who has worked very hard to provide for her children and advance her own education and opportunity in this world.”

273

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 467.

SB 467 – WORK SESSION

275

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB  467 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means.

 

 

VOTE:  4-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Morrisette

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

285

Chair Walker

Closes work session and adjourns meeting at 5:25 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

  1. Common School Fund, informational packet, Ann Hanus, 19 pp
  2. SB 383, written testimony, Diana Gordon, 2 pp
  3. SB 383, written testimony, Sen. Betty Komp, 1 p
  4. SB 383, written testimony, Sen. Ryan Deckert, 1 p
  5. SB 383, written testimony, Kelly Peterson, 2 pp
  6. SB 383, written testimony, Marcia Keith, 1 p
  7. SB 325, written testimony, Bob Cassidy, 1 p
  8. SB 325, written testimony, Susan Boyanovsky, 3 pp
  9. SB 467, written testimony, Sen. Ryan Deckert, 1 p
  10. SB 467, written testimony, Joyce Dougherty, 7 pp
  11. SB 467, written testimony, Tina Kotek, 7 pp
  12. SB 467, written testimony, Norene Goplen, 2 pp
  13. SB 467, written testimony, Phillip Kennedy Wong, 21 pp