SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE
April 04, 2005 Hearing Room D
3:00 P.M. Tapes 67 - 69
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Vicki Walker, Chair
Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair
Sen. Ryan Deckert
Sen. Jeff Kruse
Sen. Bill Morrisette
STAFF PRESENT: Marjorie Taylor, Committee Administrator
Dawn Tuso, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 415 – Work Session
SB 765 – Public Hearing
SB 958 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 187 – Work Session
SB 703 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 543 – Work Session
SB 575 – Work Session
SB 766 – Work Session
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 67, A |
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005 |
Chair Walker |
Calls meeting to order at 3:12 p.m. Introduces visiting high school students from Susan Castillo’s Youth Advisory Team. Opens a work session on SB 415. |
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SB 415 – WORK SESSION |
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019 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 415. |
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024 |
Chair Walker |
Talks about SB 415. |
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028 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 415 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Kruse |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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036 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session and opens public hearing on SB 765. |
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SB 765 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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037 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 765. Talks about the -3 amendments (EXHIBIT A). |
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044 |
Chair Walker |
Talks about SB 765. Talks about the workgroup and members of the workgroup. Announces that SB 765 will not be moved today. |
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073 |
Sen. Jeff Kruse |
Represents Senate District 1. Talks about SB 765 and the -3 amendments. Says that SB 765 does not touch the funding formula. Talks about the delivery model. Says that SB 765 does not necessarily dissolve any Education Service Districts (ESD). |
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170 |
Sen. Kruse |
Talks about changes made in the governance structure of ESDs. Talks about changes made in the structure of the budget committee. Hopes that the subsequent referral to Revenue can be rescinded. Believes that SB 765 needs to go to Ways and Means. |
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222 |
James Sager |
Governor’s Office. Testifies in support of SB 765. Talks about the regional delivery support system. Discusses changes made and how the changes will affect ESDs. Mentions audits. |
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322 |
Sager |
Continues testimony in support of SB 765. |
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343 |
Sen. Kruse |
Says that the State Board of Education makes the ultimate decision of redistricting. |
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348 |
Vickie Fleming |
Deputy Superintendent, Department of Education. Testifies in support of SB 765. Submits article on student achievement (EXHIBIT B). Talks about an enterprise approach. Talks about the No Child Left Behind Act and its impact on Oregon. |
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TAPE 68, A |
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001 |
Fleming |
Talks about page 2, line 6 and line 20 of SB 765. Talks about page 3, line 7 and line 23 of SB 765. |
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030 |
Jonathan Hill |
Superintendent, Douglas Education Service District. Testifies in support of SB 765. |
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055 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Supports the ESD system. Talks about a discussion that occurred during a meeting with most of the Lane County school districts on the issue of ESDs and SB 765. Reports that there was concern regarding ESD funding. |
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083 |
Hill |
Responds to comment. |
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099 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks if they were responding to the -3 amendments. |
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100 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Says that the -3 amendments were not mentioned. |
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106 |
Fleming |
Says that she shares the concern. Talks about funds received and school improvement activities. |
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125 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Says that he was impressed with some of the individual superintendents that responded to SB 765. |
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134 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on SB 765 and reactions to changes. |
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148 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Responds. |
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168 |
Chair Walker |
Says that there could be consolidation under the proposed plan. |
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172 |
Sager |
Says that there is not a predetermined number of ESDs. |
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183 |
Chair Walker |
Talks about page 5, section 5, line 8 of SB 765. |
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197 |
Sen. Deckert |
Comments on efficiencies. Wants to see a decision made regarding the number of ESDs necessary and wants to see the new system implemented sooner than two years from now. |
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226 |
Hill |
Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment. |
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255 |
Sager |
Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment. |
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274 |
Chair Walker |
Talks about the transition time. |
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281 |
Fleming |
Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment. |
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313 |
Sen. Deckert |
Responds to comments. |
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339 |
Sen. Kruse |
Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment. Says that the number of ESDs is not as important as the services available. |
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377 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Talks about a false economy. |
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395 |
Rob Myers |
Representing Fontier Counties ESDs. Testifies in opposition to SB 765. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C). Talks about concerns with SB 765. |
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TAPE 67, B |
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Myers |
Continues testimony on SB 765. |
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059 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks for explanation of how SB 765 reduces services in rural parts of the state. |
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062 |
Myers |
Explains that he is making an assumption that there will be consolidation. |
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067 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks if he is talking about impacts on the formula. |
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069 |
Myers |
Replies no. Comments on the funding formula. Says that people are concerned about having school districts involved in the business of ESDs. |
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080 |
Chair Walker |
Comments on testimony. Says that school districts should be involved in the business of ESDs. Asks for Myers’ opinion. |
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089 |
Myers |
Agrees and explains. |
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112 |
Ozzie Rose |
Oregon Association of Education Service Districts. Testifies in support of SB 765. Suggests a few changes to SB 765. |
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200 |
Chair Walker |
Asks for clarification regarding what changes he would like to see in SB 765. |
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205 |
Rose |
Explains. |
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208 |
Tricia Smith |
Oregon School Employees Association. Testifies in opposition to SB 765. Explains concerns with the -3 amendments. |
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309 |
Chair Walker |
Asks for testimony in writing. |
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311 |
Smith |
Offers to provide the committee with a copy of her testimony. |
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317 |
Sen. Kruse |
Responds to Smith’s testimony. Says that it is not really a circular scenario. |
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330 |
Chair Walker |
Closes public hearing on SB 765 and opens public hearing on SB 958. |
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SB 958 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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345 |
Rep. Brad Avakian |
Represents House District 34. Testifies on SB 958. Expresses concerns with SB 958. Reports that he has organized a workgroup to deal with issues in SB 958. |
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361 |
Kaaren Heikes |
Charter Schools Development Center. Testifies on SB 958. Expresses concerns with SB 958. Says that she would be happy to take part in the workgroup established. |
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390 |
Jim Green |
Oregon School Boards Association. Testifies on SB 958. Says that he would be happy to take part in the workgroup established. |
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397 |
Chair Walker |
Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 958. |
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SB 958 – WORK SESSION |
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401 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 958 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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409 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session on SB 958 and opens work session on SB 187. |
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SB 187 – WORK SESSION |
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418 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 187. Mentions the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT D). |
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TAPE 68, B |
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006 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 187-1 amendments dated 3/17/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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011 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 187 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. MORRISETTE will lead discussion on the floor. |
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016 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session and opens public hearing on SB 703. |
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SB 703 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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020 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 703. Mentions -1 amendments (EXHIBIT E). |
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027 |
Kevin Feeney |
Legal Intern, Sen. Margaret Carter’s Office. Introduces himself. |
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030 |
Sen. Margaret Carter |
Represents Senate District 22. Testifies in support of SB 703. Submits informational charts (EXHIBIT F). |
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113 |
Feeney |
Testifies in support of SB 703. |
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146 |
Sen. Carter |
Comments on testimony. |
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170 |
Vickie Chamberlain |
Teacher Standards and Practices Commission. Testifies in support of SB 703. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G). |
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196 |
Chair Walker |
Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 703. |
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SB 703 – WORK SESSION |
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198 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 703-1 amendments dated 3/23/05. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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201 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 703 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. CARTER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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210 |
Sen. Carter |
Thanks Vickie Chamberlain for her help. Comments on SB 703. |
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218 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session on SB 703 and opens work session on SB 543. |
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SB 543 – WORK SESSION |
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222 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 543. Mentions the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT H). Talks about fiscal impact of SB 543. Says that Legislative Fiscal reported that the University System has identified a minimum of approximately 120 individuals who are now paying non-resident tuition and would be eligible for the in-state tuition. Suggests that the fiscal impact will be over the $50, 000 threshold. Says that SB 543 does not have a subsequent referral to Ways and Means. Points out that the committee could ask for a fiscal impact statement on SB 543 if it is not sent to Ways and Means. |
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246 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the Department of Education’s report that SB 543 would bring in additional revenue, not a decrease in revenue. |
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253 |
Taylor |
Says that the reduction of revenue in 2005-07 would be in excess of $50,000. |
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256 |
Chair Walker |
Comments on the fiscal/revenue impact. |
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265 |
Sen. Kruse |
Responds. |
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272 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Comments that a fiscal impact is needed. Says that he would like to move SB 543 to the floor. |
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280 |
Sen. Kruse |
Responds to comment. |
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281 |
Chair Walker |
Mentions proposed amendment to SB 543 in the House. |
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284 |
Taylor |
Says that the committee will not drop SB 543 without receiving a fiscal impact statement. |
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290 |
Colonel Mike Caldwell |
Deputy Director, Oregon Military Department. Comments on the SB 543 -1 amendments. Talks about the discussion regarding a possible fiscal impact. Feels that SB 543 does nothing more than what the current law allows. |
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304 |
Mac McDonald |
Oregon Veterans. Talks about possible amendment to SB 543 to include discharges other than the one specified as dishonorable discharge. Asks for language to say, “released under honorable conditions”. |
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318 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks McDonald if he thinks Rep. Nelson would be willing to make that change to SB 543. |
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320 |
McDonald |
Replies yes. |
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322 |
Chair Walker |
Says that the change can be made in the House. Says she would like to move SB 543 to the floor. |
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332 |
Sen. Morrisette |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 543-1 amendments dated 3/16/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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341 |
Sen. Morrisette |
MOTION: Moves SB 543 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. GORDLY will lead discussion on the floor. |
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351 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session on SB 543 and opens work session on SB 575. |
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SB 575 – WORK SESSION |
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354 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 575. Mentions -2 amendments (EXHIBIT I). Reports that the Community College Association is in support of the SB 575 -2 amendments. |
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375 |
Mac McDonald |
Oregon Veterans. Talks about SB 575. Asks for an additional amendment to SB 575. |
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397 |
Chair Walker |
Asks McDonald if he has discussed the change with Sen. Devlin. |
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398 |
McDonald |
Replies no. |
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399 |
Chair Walker |
Reports that a letter has been submitted for the record from George Pernsteiner of the Oregon University System in support of the SB 575 -2 amendments (EXHIBIT J). |
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402 |
Sen. Morrisette |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 575-2 amendments dated 4/4/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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410 |
Sen. Morrisette |
MOTION: Moves SB 575 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert |
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Chair Walker |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. DEVLIN will lead discussion on the floor. |
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419 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session on SB 575 and opens work session on SB 766. |
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SB 766 – WORK SESSION |
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425 |
Marjorie Taylor |
Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 766. Mentions -1 amendments (EXHIBIT K). |
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TAPE 69, A |
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Chair Walker |
Comments on SB 766. |
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020 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments that the -1 amendments change SB 766 significantly. Asks Tricia Smith and John Marshall to speak to the SB 766 -1 amendments. |
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028 |
Tricia Smith |
Oregon School Employees Association. Talks about the SB 766 -1 amendments. |
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064 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks if school districts are constrained from offering certain benefits. |
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069 |
Smith |
Explains. |
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076 |
Sen. Kruse |
Says that they are not restricted under current law. Wonders why the restriction is necessary. |
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083 |
Smith |
Responds to comment. |
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089 |
Sen. Kruse |
Responds. |
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098 |
Smith |
Points out that the employee contribution in PERS is approximately 24 percent of salary. |
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104 |
John Marshall |
Oregon School Boards Association. Talks about the SB 766 -1 amendments. |
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132 |
Chair Walker |
Says that the -1 amendments address the issue discussed. |
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135 |
Marshall |
Clarifies comment and continues discussion. |
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167 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Asks if there is a restraint on the amount of salary that can be paid. |
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169 |
Marshall |
Replies no. |
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170 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Wonders what the issue is. Comments on SB 766. |
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181 |
Sen. Kruse |
Says that he is not ready to move SB 766. |
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184 |
Chair Walker |
Reports that SB 766 will be held over until the committee meeting on April 6, 2005. |
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187 |
Chair Walker |
Closes work session and adjourns meeting at 5:22 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY