SENATE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND WORKFORCE

 

 

April 04, 2005                                                                                                         Hearing Room D

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes  67 - 69

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Vicki Walker, Chair

Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Jeff Kruse

Sen. Bill Morrisette

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Marjorie Taylor, Committee Administrator

Dawn Tuso, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

SB 415 – Work Session

SB 765 – Public Hearing

SB 958 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 187 – Work Session

SB 703 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 543 – Work Session

SB 575 – Work Session

SB 766 – Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 67, A

005

Chair Walker

Calls meeting to order at 3:12 p.m. Introduces visiting high school students from Susan Castillo’s Youth Advisory Team.  Opens a work session on SB 415.

SB 415 – WORK SESSION

019

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 415.

024

Chair Walker

Talks about SB 415.

028

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB 415 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue.

 

 

VOTE:  4-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Kruse

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

036

Chair Walker

Closes work session and opens public hearing on SB 765.

SB 765 – PUBLIC HEARING

037

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 765. Talks about the  -3 amendments (EXHIBIT A).

044

Chair Walker

Talks about SB 765. Talks about the workgroup and members of the workgroup. Announces that SB 765 will not be moved today.

073

Sen. Jeff Kruse

Represents Senate District 1. Talks about SB 765 and the -3 amendments. Says that SB 765 does not touch the funding formula. Talks about the delivery model. Says that SB 765 does not necessarily dissolve any Education Service Districts (ESD).

170

Sen. Kruse

Talks about changes made in the governance structure of ESDs. Talks about changes made in the structure of the budget committee.  Hopes that the subsequent referral to Revenue can be rescinded. Believes that SB 765 needs to go to Ways and Means.

222

James Sager

Governor’s Office. Testifies in support of SB 765.  Talks about the regional delivery support system. Discusses changes made and how the changes will affect ESDs. Mentions audits.

322

Sager

Continues testimony in support of SB 765.

343

Sen. Kruse

Says that the State Board of Education makes the ultimate decision of redistricting.

348

Vickie Fleming

Deputy Superintendent, Department of Education. Testifies in support of SB 765. Submits article on student achievement (EXHIBIT B). Talks about an enterprise approach. Talks about the No Child Left Behind Act and its impact on Oregon. 

TAPE 68, A

001

Fleming

Talks about page 2, line 6 and line 20 of SB 765. Talks about page 3, line 7 and line 23 of SB 765.

030

Jonathan Hill

Superintendent, Douglas Education Service District. Testifies in support of SB 765.

055

Sen. Morrisette

Supports the ESD system. Talks about a discussion that occurred during a meeting with most of the Lane County school districts on the issue of ESDs and SB 765. Reports that there was concern regarding  ESD funding.

083

Hill

Responds to comment.

099

Sen. Kruse

Asks if they were responding to the -3 amendments.

100

Sen. Morrisette

Says that the -3 amendments were not mentioned.

106

Fleming

Says that she shares the concern. Talks about funds received and school improvement activities.

125

Sen. Morrisette

Says that he was impressed with some of the individual superintendents that responded to SB 765.

134

Sen. Kruse

Comments on SB 765 and reactions to changes.

148

Sen. Morrisette

Responds.

168

Chair Walker

Says that there could be consolidation under the proposed plan.

172

Sager

Says that there is not a predetermined number of ESDs.

183

Chair Walker

Talks about page 5, section 5, line 8 of SB 765.

197

Sen. Deckert

Comments on efficiencies. Wants to see a decision made regarding the number of ESDs necessary and wants to see the new system implemented sooner than two years from now.

226

Hill

Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment.

255

Sager

Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment.

274

Chair Walker

Talks about the transition time.

281

Fleming

Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment.

313

Sen. Deckert

Responds to comments.

339

Sen. Kruse

Responds to Sen. Deckert’s comment. Says that the number of ESDs is not as important as the services available.

377

Sen. Morrisette

Talks about a false economy.

395

Rob Myers

Representing Fontier Counties ESDs.  Testifies in opposition to SB 765. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C). Talks about concerns with SB 765.

TAPE 67, B

001

Myers

Continues testimony on SB 765.

059

Sen. Kruse

Asks for explanation of how SB 765 reduces services in rural parts of the state.

062

Myers

Explains that he is making an assumption that there will be consolidation.

067

Sen. Kruse

Asks if he is talking about impacts on the formula.

069

Myers

Replies no. Comments on the funding formula. Says that people are concerned about having school districts involved in the business of ESDs.

080

Chair Walker

Comments on testimony. Says that school districts should be involved in the business of ESDs. Asks for Myers’ opinion.

089

Myers

Agrees and explains.

112

Ozzie Rose

Oregon Association of Education Service Districts. Testifies in support of SB 765. Suggests a few changes to SB 765.

200

Chair Walker

Asks for clarification regarding what changes he would like to see in SB 765.

205

Rose

Explains.

208

Tricia Smith

Oregon School Employees Association. Testifies in opposition to SB 765. Explains concerns with the -3 amendments.

309

Chair Walker

Asks for testimony in writing.

311

Smith

Offers to provide the committee with a copy of her testimony.

317

Sen. Kruse

Responds to Smith’s testimony. Says that it is not really a circular scenario.

330

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing on SB 765 and opens public hearing on SB 958.

SB 958 – PUBLIC HEARING

345

Rep. Brad Avakian

Represents House District 34. Testifies on SB 958. Expresses concerns with SB 958. Reports that he has organized a workgroup to deal with issues in SB 958.

361

Kaaren Heikes

Charter Schools Development Center. Testifies on SB 958. Expresses concerns with SB 958. Says that she would be happy to take part in the workgroup established.

390

Jim Green

Oregon School Boards Association. Testifies on SB 958. Says that he would be happy to take part in the workgroup established.

397

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 958.

SB 958 – WORK SESSION

401

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB 958 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Revenue.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

409

Chair Walker

Closes work session on SB 958 and opens work session on SB 187.

SB 187 – WORK SESSION

418

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of  SB 187. Mentions the  -1 amendments (EXHIBIT D).

TAPE 68, B

006

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 187-1 amendments dated 3/17/05.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

011

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB 187 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Kruse, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. MORRISETTE will lead discussion on the floor.

016

Chair Walker

Closes work session and opens public hearing on SB 703.

SB 703 – PUBLIC HEARING

020

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 703. Mentions -1 amendments (EXHIBIT E).

027

Kevin Feeney

Legal Intern, Sen. Margaret Carter’s Office. Introduces himself.

030

Sen. Margaret Carter

Represents Senate District 22. Testifies in support of SB 703. Submits informational charts (EXHIBIT F).

113

Feeney

Testifies in support of SB 703.

146

Sen. Carter

Comments on testimony.

170

Vickie Chamberlain

Teacher Standards and Practices Commission. Testifies in support of SB 703. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G).

196

Chair Walker

Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 703.

SB 703 – WORK SESSION

198

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 703-1 amendments dated 3/23/05.

 

 

VOTE:  4-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

201

Sen. C. Starr

MOTION:  Moves SB 703 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  4-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. CARTER will lead discussion on the floor.

210

Sen. Carter

Thanks Vickie Chamberlain for her help. Comments on SB 703.

218

Chair Walker

Closes work session on SB 703 and opens work session on SB 543.

SB 543 – WORK SESSION

222

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 543.  Mentions the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT H). Talks about fiscal impact of SB 543. Says that Legislative Fiscal reported that the University System has identified a minimum of approximately 120 individuals who are now paying non-resident tuition and would be eligible for the in-state tuition. Suggests that the fiscal impact will be over the $50, 000 threshold. Says that SB 543 does not have a subsequent referral to Ways and Means. Points out that the committee could ask for a fiscal impact statement on SB 543 if it is not sent to Ways and Means.

246

Sen. Kruse

Comments on the Department of Education’s report that SB 543 would bring in additional revenue, not a decrease in revenue.

253

Taylor

Says that the reduction of revenue in 2005-07 would be in excess of $50,000.

256

Chair Walker

Comments on the fiscal/revenue impact.

265

Sen. Kruse

Responds.

272

Sen. C. Starr

Comments that a fiscal impact is needed. Says that he would like to move SB 543 to the floor.

280

Sen. Kruse

Responds to comment.

281

Chair Walker

Mentions proposed amendment to SB 543 in the House.

284

Taylor

Says that the committee will not drop SB 543 without receiving a fiscal impact statement.

290

Colonel Mike Caldwell

Deputy Director, Oregon Military Department. Comments on the SB 543 -1 amendments. Talks about the discussion regarding a possible fiscal impact. Feels that SB 543 does nothing more than what the current law allows.

304

Mac McDonald

Oregon Veterans. Talks about possible amendment to SB 543 to include discharges other than the one specified as dishonorable discharge. Asks for language to say, “released under honorable conditions”.

318

Sen. Kruse

Asks McDonald if he thinks Rep. Nelson would be willing to make that change to SB 543.

320

McDonald

Replies yes.

322

Chair Walker

Says that the change can be made in the House. Says she would like to move SB 543 to the floor.

332

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 543-1 amendments dated 3/16/05.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

341

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves SB 543 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. GORDLY will lead discussion on the floor.

351

Chair Walker

Closes work session on SB 543 and opens work session on SB 575.

SB 575 – WORK SESSION

354

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 575. Mentions -2 amendments (EXHIBIT I). Reports that the Community College Association is in support of the SB 575 -2 amendments.

375

Mac McDonald

Oregon Veterans. Talks about SB 575. Asks for an additional amendment to SB 575.

397

Chair Walker

Asks McDonald if he has discussed the change with Sen. Devlin.

398

McDonald

Replies no.

399

Chair Walker

Reports that a letter has been submitted for the record from George Pernsteiner of the Oregon University System in support of the SB 575  -2 amendments (EXHIBIT J).

402

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 575-2 amendments dated 4/4/05.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

410

Sen. Morrisette

MOTION:  Moves SB 575 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. C. Starr, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Walker

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. DEVLIN will lead discussion on the floor.

419

Chair Walker

Closes work session on SB 575 and opens work session on SB 766.

SB 766 – WORK SESSION

425

Marjorie Taylor

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 766. Mentions -1 amendments (EXHIBIT K).

TAPE 69, A

008

Chair Walker

Comments on SB 766.

020

Sen. Kruse

Comments that the -1 amendments change SB 766 significantly. Asks Tricia Smith and John Marshall to speak to the SB 766 -1 amendments.

028

Tricia Smith

Oregon School Employees Association. Talks about the SB 766 -1 amendments.

064

Sen. Kruse

Asks if school districts are constrained from offering certain benefits.

069

Smith

Explains.

076

Sen. Kruse

Says that they are not restricted under current law. Wonders why the restriction is necessary.

083

Smith

Responds to comment.

089

Sen. Kruse

Responds.

098

Smith

Points out that the employee contribution in PERS is approximately 24 percent of salary.

104

John Marshall

Oregon School Boards Association. Talks about the SB 766 -1 amendments.

132

Chair Walker

Says that the -1 amendments address the issue discussed.

135

Marshall

Clarifies comment and continues discussion.

167

Sen. Morrisette

Asks if there is a restraint on the amount of salary that can be paid.

169

Marshall

Replies no.

170

Sen. Morrisette

Wonders what the issue is. Comments on SB 766.

181

Sen. Kruse

Says that he is not ready to move SB 766.

184

Chair Walker

Reports that SB 766 will be held over until the committee meeting on April 6, 2005.

187

Chair Walker

Closes work session and adjourns meeting at 5:22 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

  1. SB 765, -3 amendments, staff, 32 pp
  2. SB 765, article on student achievement, Vickie Fleming, 3 pp
  3. SB 765, written testimony, Rob Myers, 11 pp
  4. SB 187, -1 amendments, staff, 4 pp
  5. SB 703, -1 amendments, staff, 1 p
  6. SB 703, charts, Sen. Margaret Carter, 5 pp
  7. SB 703, written testimony, Vickie Chamberlain, 10 pp
  8. SB 543, -1 amendments, staff, 1 p
  9. SB 575, -2 amendments, staff, 1 p
  10. SB 575, written testimony, George Pernsteiner, 1 p
  11. SB 766, -1 amendments, staff, 2 pp