SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE

 

 

March 02, 2005                                                                                                       Hearing Room B

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes  35 - 36

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Frank Shields

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:          Sen. Ginny Burdick

 

MEMBER VISITING:                       Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Matt Shields, Committee Administrator

Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

SB 345 – Public Hearing

SB 530 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 35, A

005

Chair Ringo

Calls meeting to order at 3:06 p.m. Announces that SB 857 will not be heard today. States that neither SB 345 nor SB 530 will be moved out of committee today. Opens public hearing on SB 345.

SB 345 – PUBLIC HEARING

020

Matt Shields

Committee Administrator. Explains SB 345.

029

Chair Ringo

States order in which he would like witnesses to testify.

030

Mari Anne Gest

Director of Governmental Affairs, The Wild Salmon Center. Asks Chair Ringo if she should address both SB 345 and SB 530 at the same time.

035

Chair Ringo

Opens public hearing on SB 530.

SB 345 AND SB 530 – PUBLIC HEARING

040

Gest

Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 345 and SB 530 (EXHIBIT A). Submits hand engrossed amendments to SB 530 (EXHIBIT B).

100

Chair Ringo

Asks how SB 345 is consistent with the defeat of Measure 34 in the November, 2004 election.

110

Gest

Responds.

115

David Moskowitz

Southern Cascadia Program Director, The Wild Salmon Center. Testifies in support of SB 345. Submits written testimony on SB 345 (EXHIBIT C) and a white paper titled “Science Supported Salmon Protection (EXHIBIT D).

135

Chair Ringo

Asks for clarification on phrase “in tact forests.”

137

Moskowitz

Explains.

150

Chair Ringo

Asks if an opinion was expressed about how much of the forest should be set aside as reserves.

155

Moskowitz

Offers to return information to the committee. Continues testimony in support of SB 345.

163

Moskowitz

Asks if he should comment on SB 530.

165

Chair Ringo

Asks witness to limit testimony to SB 345.

168

Susan Ash

Conservation Director, Audubon Society of Portland. States that she is amending her written testimony and will give a copy to the committee before the end of the day. Submits and reads written testimony in opposition to SB 345 as currently written (EXHIBIT E). Submits written testimony in support of SB 530 (EXHIBIT E).

230

Chair Ringo

States that the Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF) reports that 22 percent of the forest is protected from cutting. Wonders why reserves should be designated when 22 percent of the forest is protected.

235

Ash

Explains.

240

Gest

Offers additional information.

245

Ash

Discusses lack of knowledge of location of protected forest.

253

Gest

States that the mentioned forest protection is not permanent. Explains.

259

Chair Ringo

Clarifies that these locations are currently protected but it is not known how long that will last.

260

Ash

Confirms this. Discusses habitat for Northern Spotted Owl.

263

Moskowitz

Discusses permanent reserve. Refers to white paper (EXHIBIT D).

282

Sen. Atkinson

Asks Ms. Ash to explain term mentioned in testimony.

285

Ash

Gives term and explains.

293

Sen. Atkinson

Asks how that is different than an environmentalist.

295

Ash

Explains.

305

Sen. Atkinson

Asks about conservation movement.

309

Ash

States that she doesn’t know how this pertains to SB 345.

310

Chair Ringo

Asks to move on to the next witness.

335

Sen. Betsy Johnson

Represents Senate District 16. Discusses similarity of SB 345 to Measure 34. Testifies in opposition to SB 345.

390

Chair Ringo

States that the state of Missouri has 15 percent of their forest set aside as permanent reserves. Asks why Oregon doesn’t have any.

395

Sen. Johnson

Discusses the Forest Management Plan.

404

Chair Ringo

Reiterates that the ODF reports that 22 percent of the forest is protected. Asks if that is consistent with witness’ understanding.

409

Sen. Johnson

Responds yes.

410

Chair Ringo

Wonders about designating permanent reserves from mentioned 22 percent.

414

Sen. Johnson

Reiterates that she would like to look at the Forest Management Plan.

422

Chair Ringo

Discusses the Board of Forestry and respective members.

TAPE 36, A

003

Sen. Johnson

Discusses economic impacts of members on the Board of Forestry.

009

Chair Ringo

Responds.

015

Chair Ringo

Invites witnesses from the ODF to testify. Makes opening comments.

018

Marvin Brown

Director, ODF. Asks if the committee is taking comments on both SB 345 and SB 530.

020

Chair Ringo

Asks witnesses to limit testimony to SB 345.

022

Brown

Defers to other witness.

025

Steve Thomas

Assistant State Forester, ODF. Submits and highlights written testimony (EXHIBIT F). Submitsmap of Stagecoach Horse Camp (EXHIBIT G) and map titled “Overview of River Segments and Recreation Sites Affected by SB 345” (EXHIBIT H).

050

Chair Ringo

Asks question about in tact forests mentioned in previous testimony.

055

Thomas

Offers to return information to the committee.

060

Thomas

Continues highlighting testimony on SB 345 (EXHIBIT F).

105

Thomas

Refers to map of Stagecoach Horse Camp (EXHIBIT H).

110

Sen. Shields

Asks clarifying question on map of Stagecoach Horse Camp (EXHIBIT H).

111

Thomas

Clarifies.

112

Chair Ringo

Asks clarifying question on map of Stagecoach Horse Camp (EXHIBIT H).

122

Thomas

Clarifies.

125

Sen. Shields

Asks about riparian areas.

126

Thomas

Responds.

127

Chair Ringo

Asks clarifying question about riparian areas.

128

Thomas

Explains.

129

Chair Ringo

Asks what the widths of those areas are.

130

Thomas

Gives details.

135

Thomas

Continues highlighting testimony on SB 345 (EXHIBIT F).

136

Sen. Shields

Asks what page witness is on.

137

Thomas

Responds page 4 (EXHIBIT F, Page 4).

155

Chair Ringo

Refers to proposal mentioned by witness. Asks if that would avoid the reduction in expected harvest levels for specified acres.

156

Thomas

Explains.

160

Thomas

Continues highlighting testimony (EXHIBIT F).

185

Chair Ringo

Asks about the Cheney Deed Lands.

190

Thomas

Responds.

191

Thomas

Continues highlighting testimony (EXHIBIT F).

195

Chair Ringo

Wants to interrupt testimony of witness to allow students to testify because they need to leave at 4:00 p.m.

210

Myles Buchanan

Student, Arbor School of Arts and Sciences. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 345 (EXHIBIT I).

230

Nathan Troutman

Student, Arbor School of Arts and Sciences. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 345 (EXHIBIT J).

255

Rebecca Garner

Student, Arbor School of Arts and Sciences. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 345 (EXHIBIT K).

277

Chair Ringo

Thanks the students for coming to the committee meeting and testifying. Invites Mr. Thomas to return to his testimony.

285

Thomas

Continues highlighting testimony (EXHIBIT F).

355

Chair Ringo

Directs question to Mr. Brown. Brings up forest reserves in Missouri. Asks what the purpose is of reserves.

360

Brown

Discusses Missouri and the purpose of reserves.

390

Sen. Shields

Wonders about habitat changes.

405

Brown

Explains habitat changes.

TAPE 35, B

007

Thomas

Discusses quality of habitats.

015

Sen. Shields

Gives example.

018

Chair Ringo

Discusses reserves along waterways. Discusses reasons for reserves and states that it is not necessarily only about habitats.

025

Brown

Responds.

045

Rep. Deborah Boone

Represents House District 32. States that the Tillamook Forest is part of her district. Testifies in opposition to SB 345. Reads a portion of testimony from Gus Meyer of Tillamook. Reiterates opposition to SB 345 and urges committee to not pass SB 345.

075

Chair Ringo

Discusses SB 345.

085

Rep. Boone

States that she supports the Forest Management Plan. Discusses land management.

100

Tim Josi

Commissioner, Tillamook County. Testifies in opposition to SB 345.

118

Chair Ringo

Discusses opinion of current Forest Management Plan. States that he would like to see cooperation from people on both sides of this issue.

125

Josi

Believes there has been cooperation. Explains. Gives history of land. References ORS 530.  Discusses taking SB 345 to court if it passes.

174

Chair Ringo

States that Legislative Counsel (LC) believes SB 345 is legal.

176

Josi

States that he respectfully disagrees with LC.

180

Josi

Submits and reads written testimony of Tom Brian (EXHIBIT L).

202

Mark Labhart

Commissioner, Tillamook County.  Submits and highlights written testimony in opposition to SB 345 (EXHIBIT M).

223

Chair Ringo

Asks how many acres are in the Chaney Deed Lands.

224

Labhart

Guesses about 1700 acres. Continues testimony in opposition to SB 345.

233

Chair Ringo

Asks if 115,000 acres mentioned by witness are likely to never be harvested.

234

Labhart

Confirms this. Explains.

240

Chair Ringo

Asks clarifying question about percentage mentioned by witness.

244

Labhart

Confirms this.

245

Labhart

Continues testimony in opposition to SB 345.

328

Chair Ringo

Discusses budget for recreation. Talks about priorities.

339

Labhart

Agrees with Chair Ringo. Discusses forest revenues.

340

Chair Ringo

Comments on witness’ statement.

343

Labhart

Agrees that ODF probably did not budget for recreation when the forest was not returning revenues. Explains.

345

Chair Ringo

Comments on witness’ statement.

346

Labhart

Discusses revenues and budget.

358

Chair Ringo

Discusses recreation.

367

Labhart

Responds.

388

Labhart

Continues testimony in opposition to SB 345. Makes closing remarks.

TAPE 36, B

007

Chair Ringo

Appreciates testimony of witness. Discusses science of forestry.

010

Labhart

States that the science of forestry is different, not necessarily better than before.

014

Chair Ringo

Discusses science of forestry. Gives illustration. Discusses purpose for reserves.

025

Labhart

Points out that 21 percent of the forest has been set aside.

026

Chair Ringo

Responds.

034

Labhart

Discusses the Forest Management Plan.

037

Chair Ringo

States that he would like to have a conversation about this at another time.

040

Sam Patrick

Commissioner, Clatsop County. Gives an illustration. Discusses current program for forest management.

057

Sen. Shields

Discusses legislation and committee from the 2003 legislative session. Discusses how Josi previously testified on structure based management.

080

Josi

Responds.

095

Josi

Asks to talk about SB 530. Testifies in opposition to SB 530.

120

Chair Ringo

States that he is willing to consider amendments and modifications to both SB 345 and SB 530.

126

Les Helgeson

Native Fish Society. Discusses specific language of SB 345. Testifies in support of SB 345.

156

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness is saying that the science of forestry isn’t constant.

157

Helgeson

Confirms this and explains. Continues testimony in support of SB 345.

187

Chuck Willer

Executive Director, Coast Range Association. Testifies in support of SB 345. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT N).

275

Ray Wilkeson

Oregon Forest Industries Council. States that the Oregon Forest Industries Council represents private forest land owners in Oregon. States opposition to SB 345.

285

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness represents private forest land owners in Oregon.

287

Wilkeson

Replies yes.

288

Chair Ringo

States that SB 345 does not impact private forest land owners.

290

Wilkeson

Explains.

295

Chair Ringo

Discusses reserves.

296

Wilkeson

Responds.

300

Chair Ringo

Makes comment on timber harvest.

305

Wilkeson

Responds.

310

Karen Sjagren

Testifies in support of SB 345 and SB 530.

340

Rex Storm

Forest Policy Manager, Associated Oregon Loggers. Submits and reads testimony in opposition to SB 345 (EXHIBIT O).

375

Lyndon Ruhnke

Attorney, Clackamas County. States that he is testifying on SB 530. Refers to Sen. Johnson’s testimony. Details conflicts of interest of members of the Board of Forestry. States that he supports SB 530 as amended. Makes additional recommendation.

450

Dale Buck

Resident, Cloverdale. Testifies in opposition to SB 345 and SB 530. Submits written testimony on SB 345 and SB 530 (EXHIBIT P).

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony:

 

Jim Welsh

Lobbyist, Oregon State Grange. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 345 (EXHIBIT Q).

 

Sue Bowers

Oregon Society of American Foresters. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 345 and SB 530 (EXHIBIT R).

 

Greg Addington

Associate Director of Governmental Affairs, Oregon Farm Bureau. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 345 (EXHIBIT S).

 

Jay Ward

Conservation Director, Oregon Natural Resources Council. Submits written testimony in support of SB 530 (EXHIBIT T).

 

Richard Crimi

Resident, Beaverton. Submits written testimony in support of SB 530 (EXHIBIT U).

 

Pam Birmingham

Resident, Seaside. Submits written testimony in support of SB 345 and SB 530 (EXHIBIT V).

 

Matt Shields

Committee Administrator. Submits SB 345-1 amendments (EXHIBIT W), SB 345-2 amendments (EXHIBIT X), and SB 530-1 amendments (EXHIBIT Y) for the record.

470

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 345 and SB 530 and adjourns meeting at 5:03 p.m.

 

 

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.     SB 345 and SB 530, written testimony, Mari Anne Gest, 2 pp

B.     SB 530, hand engrossed amendments, Mari Anne Gest, 2 pp

C.     SB 345, written testimony, David Moskowitz, 1 p

D.    SB 345, white paper, David Moskowitz, 11 pp

E.     SB 345 and SB 530, written testimony, Susan Ash, 2 pp

F.      SB 345, written testimony, Steve Thomas, 13 pp

G.    SB 345, map, Steve Thomas, 1 p

H.    SB 345, map, Steve Thomas, 1 p

I.       SB 345, written testimony, Myles Buchanan, 1 p

J.      SB 345, written testimony, Nathan Troutman, 1 p

K.    SB 345, written testimony, Rebecca Garner, 1 p

L.     SB 345, written testimony of Tom Brian, Tim Josi, 1 p

M.  SB 345, written testimony, Mark Labhart, 1 p

N.    SB 345, written testimony, Chuck Willer, 3 pp

O.    SB 345, written testimony, Rex Storm, 1 p

P.      SB 345 and SB 530, written testimony, Dale Buck, 1 p

Q.    SB 345, written testimony, Jim Welsh, 1 p

R.    SB 345 and SB 530, written testimony, Sue Bowers, 1 p

S.      SB 345, written testimony, Greg Addington, 1 p

T.     SB 345, written testimony, Jay Ward, 1 p

U.     SB 345, written testimony, Richard Crimi, 1 p

V.     SB 345 and SB 530, written testimony, Pam Birmingham, 1 p

W.   SB 345, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p

X.     SB 345, -2 amendments, Staff, 1 p

Y.     SB 530, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p