SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE

 

 

March 23, 2005                                                                                                       Hearing Room B

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                      Tapes 51 - 52

Corrected 10/18/05

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Frank Shields

 

MEMBER VISITING:                       Rep. Derrick Kitts    

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Matt Shields, Committee Administrator

Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

SB 730 – Public Hearing

SB 431 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 900 – Public Hearing

SB 245 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 51, A

005

Chair Ringo

Calls meeting to order at 3:07 p.m. Makes opening comments regarding the order of the meeting. Opens public hearing on SB 730.

SB 730 – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Sen. Bruce Starr

Represents Senate District 15. Testifies in support of SB 730.

037

Chair Ringo

States that he would like to start with the proponents of SB 730 and then give the opposition a chance to speak.

040

Tim Sercombe

Attorney, Preston, Gates and Ellis. Testifies in support of SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A).

140

Tom Hughes

Mayor, City of Hillsboro. Submits and highlights written testimony in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT B).

255

Chair Ringo

States that testimony has been theoretical. Asks witness for a specific example.

258

Hughes

Gives example.

278

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness would have preferred to not have the mentioned regulation.

279

Hughes

Confirms this.

280

Chair Ringo

Asks if mentioned regulation harmed witness’ ability to bring in industry.

283

Hughes

Responds and explains in detail.  

309

David Bragdon

President, Metro Council. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

400

Bragdon

Continues testimony in opposition to SB 730.

TAPE 52, A

007

Sen. Atkinson

Discusses checks and balances. Asks how people working for Metro who are well-paid are a balance to volunteers and city government.

029

Bragdon

Appreciates the question. Responds that he came to the witness table alone.

031

Sen. Atkinson

Asks if there is a lawyer in the room.

032

Bragdon

Replies yes and explains that the individual is here to testify on another bill. States that Metro has one other employee here.

036

Sen. Atkinson

States that he is friends with Randy Tucker.

037

Bragdon

Discusses local zoning.

047

Sen. Atkinson

Asks how that is a balance. Asks why the legislature is being asked to intervene.

052

Bragdon

Says that Metro is not asking the legislature to intervene. Prefers to have this issue settled regionally. Continues discussing local zoning.

085

Sen. Atkinson

Discusses efficiency and the economy.

095

Bragdon

Responds.

097

Sen. Atkinson

Makes comment.

098

Bragdon

Apologizes to Sen. Atkinson.

102

Chair Ringo

States that he supports Metro. Discusses regional approach. States that a public hearing on SB 730 is not an attack on Metro. Discusses resolving conflicts. Says that he wants to hear what people have to say about this issue.

125

Richard Kidd

Mayor, City of Forest Grove. Testifies in support of SB 730.

150

Ed Truax

President, Tualatin City Council. States that he is testifying in place of the Mayor of Tualatin. Testifies in support of SB 730. Submits written testimony on behalf of Lou Ogden, Mayor of Tualatin, in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT D).

193

Chair Ringo

Says that Mr. Bragdon just testified that Metro doesn’t have any desire, staffing, capacity, or permitting desk to do local zoning.

198

Truax

Counters that Metro has the ability to bring land adjacent to a city inside the urban growth boundary (UGB) and specify the use for which it is to be developed. States that this is zoning.

201

Chair Ringo

Clarifies that witness wants Metro to bring land inside the UGB but leave the decision of how the land will be used to the city.

204

Truax

Explains using an example.

222

Chair Ringo

Discusses process of bringing land inside the UGB.

227

Truax

Responds. Discusses soil classification.

239

Sen. Atkinson

Thanks witness for taking the time off work to come and testify.

245

Judie Hammerstad

Mayor, City of Lake Oswego. Submits and reads written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHBIIT E).

292

Chair Ringo

Makes comment.

293

Hammerstad

Continues reading testimony in opposition to SB 730.

305

Charlotte Lehan

Mayor, City of Wilsonville. States that she is a volunteer mayor. Submits and highlights written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT F).

383

Jim Bernard

Mayor, City of Milwaukee. States that he is a volunteer mayor. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. 

TAPE 51, B

008

Dee Wescott

Mayor, City of Damascus. Testifies in opposition to SB 730.

025

Chair Ringo

Thanks witnesses for coming.

030

Jonathan Schleuter

Executive Director, Westside Economic Alliance. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT G).

088

Bob Bailey

City Commission President, City of Oregon City. Testifies in opposition to SB 730.

095

Elon Hasson

Legislative Director, 1000 Friends of Oregon. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

110

Dennis Mulvehill

Washington County. Says that Washington County supports SB 730 but does not like the way it is written. States that Washington County would like to be part of a workgroup.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony:

 

Randy Leonard

Commissioner, City of Portland. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT I).

 

Bob Bailey

City Commissioner, Oregon City. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT J).

 

Paul Thalhofer

Mayor, City of Troutdale. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT K).

 

Deanna Palm

President, Greater Hillsboro Area Chamber of Commerce. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT L).

120

Chair Ringo

States that SB 730 will not be moved today. Closes public hearing on SB 730 and opens public hearing on SB 431.

SB 431 - PUBLIC HEARING

133

Chair Ringo

Recesses public hearing on SB 431 and opens public hearing on SB 900.

SB 900  - PUBLIC HEARING

140

Susan McLain

Metro Councilor. Introduces herself. Testifies in opposition to SB 900. Testifies in support of SB 245.

200

Sen. Bruce Starr

Represents Senate District 15. Submits map of Urban Growth Boundary (EXHIBIT M). Testifies in support of SB 900.

265

Richard Kidd

Mayor, City of Forest Grove. Gives background information on the City of Forest Grove with regards to growth. Gives statistics on Forest Grove. Testifies in support of SB 900.

350

Kidd

Continues testimony in support of SB 900.

395

Sen. Beyer

Asks if it is possible for Forest Grove to be excluded from Metro.

400

Kidd

Responds. Explains.

418

McLain

Discusses potential concerns.

TAPE 52, B

013

Chair Ringo

Asks witness if something needs to be done with the Forest Grove-Cornelius island.

015

McLain

Responds.

023

Sen. B. Starr

Discusses previous legislation. Makes comment on timeline.

029

McLain

Responds.

038

Chair Ringo

Understands that witness supports SB 245. Asks if there would be some version of SB 900 that witness would approve of.

040

McLain

Responds.

041

Chair Ringo

Asks Randy Tucker if he would support amendments.

045

Sen. Beyer

Makes comment.

047

Kidd

Says that Forest Grove cannot wait until 2009.

048

Sen. Beyer

Makes comment.

049

Kidd

Concludes testimony.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony:

 

Elon Hasson

Legislative Director, 1000 Friends of Oregon. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 900 (EXHIBIT N).

054

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 900 and opens public hearing on SB 245.

SB 245 – PUBLIC HEARING

065

Chair Ringo

Asks Randy Tucker about SB 900.

067

Randy Tucker

Legislative Affairs Manager, Metro. Responds.

069

Chair Ringo

States that it seems like there is a problem that needs to be solved.

071

Tucker

Talks about SB 245 and year 2009.

079

Tucker

Testifies in support of SB 245.

112

Chair Ringo

Asks about timeline with an extension of the current two year cycle.

113

Tucker

Replies 2009 and explains.

117

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness is planning on proposing amendments.

118

Tucker

Confirms this. Gives further details.

130

Jon Chandler

Oregon Home Builders Association. Testifies on SB 245 and explains neutral position.

143

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 245 and reopens public hearing on SB 431.

SB 431 – PUBLIC HEARING

145

Richard Benner

Metro. Testifies in support of SB 431. Explains -1 amendments which are submitted for the record by staff (EXHIBIT O).

208

Bob Rindy

Legislative Coordinator, Department of Land Conservation and Development (DLCD). Submits written testimony in support of SB 431 (EXHIBIT P). Concurs with Richard Benner. Supports -1 amendments and states that the amendments resolve the concerns of DLCD.

213

Chair Ringo

Explains SB 431 to Sen. Shields. Asks Sen. Beyer if he is comfortable with SB 431.

215

Sen. Beyer

Replies yes.

216

Chair Ringo

Refers to written testimony of witness (EXHIBIT P) and asks if another sheet could be provided with more information and more substance addressing the issues that were raised.

226

Benner

Asks when that would be needed.

227

Chair Ringo

Responds.

229

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 431 and opens work session on SB 431.

SB 431 – WORK SESSION

230

Chair Ringo

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 431-1 amendments dated 03/23/05.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, Burdick

232

Chair Ringo

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

233

Chair Ringo

MOTION:  Moves SB 431 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, Burdick

234

Chair Ringo

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. RINGO will lead discussion on the floor.

235

Chair Ringo

Closes work session on SB 431 and adjourns meeting at 4:51 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.     SB 730, written testimony, Tim Sercombe, 2 pp

B.     SB 730, written testimony, Tom Hughes, 3 pp

C.     SB 730, written testimony, David Bragdon, 2 pp

D.    SB 730, written testimony of Lou Ogden, Ed Truax, 2 pp

E.     SB 730, written testimony, Judie Hammerstad, 1 p

F.      SB 730, written testimony, Charlotte Lehan, 1 p

G.    SB 730, written testimony, Jonathan Schleuter, 2 pp

H.    SB 730 , written testimony, Elon Hasson, 2 pp

I.       SB 730, written testimony, Randy Leonard, 1 p

J.      SB 730, written testimony, Bob Bailey, 1 p

K.    SB 730, written testimony, Paul Thalhofer, 1 p

L.     SB 730, written testimony, Deanna Palm, 1 p

M.  SB 900, map, Sen. Bruce Starr, 1 p

N.    SB 900, written testimony, Elon Hasson, 2 pp

O.    SB 431, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p

P.      SB 431, written testimony, Bob Rindy, 1 p