SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE
March 23, 2005 Hearing Room B
3:00 P.M. Tapes 51 - 52
Corrected 10/18/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair
Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair
Sen. Roger Beyer
Sen. Ginny Burdick
Sen. Frank Shields
MEMBER VISITING: Rep. Derrick Kitts
STAFF PRESENT: Matt Shields, Committee Administrator
Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 730 – Public Hearing
SB 431 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 900 – Public Hearing
SB 245 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 51, A |
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005 |
Chair Ringo |
Calls meeting to order at 3:07 p.m. Makes opening comments regarding the order of the meeting. Opens public hearing on SB 730. |
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SB 730 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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010 |
Sen. Bruce Starr |
Represents Senate District 15. Testifies in support of SB 730. |
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037 |
Chair Ringo |
States that he would like to start with the proponents of SB 730 and then give the opposition a chance to speak. |
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040 |
Tim Sercombe |
Attorney, Preston, Gates and Ellis. Testifies in support of SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A). |
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140 |
Tom Hughes |
Mayor, City of Hillsboro. Submits and highlights written testimony in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT B). |
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255 |
Chair Ringo |
States that testimony has been theoretical. Asks witness for a specific example. |
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258 |
Hughes |
Gives example. |
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278 |
Chair Ringo |
Verifies that witness would have preferred to not have the mentioned regulation. |
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279 |
Hughes |
Confirms this. |
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280 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if mentioned regulation harmed witness’ ability to bring in industry. |
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283 |
Hughes |
Responds and explains in detail. |
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309 |
David Bragdon |
President, Metro Council. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C). |
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400 |
Bragdon |
Continues testimony in opposition to SB 730. |
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TAPE 52, A |
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007 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Discusses checks and balances. Asks how people working for Metro who are well-paid are a balance to volunteers and city government. |
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029 |
Bragdon |
Appreciates the question. Responds that he came to the witness table alone. |
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031 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Asks if there is a lawyer in the room. |
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032 |
Bragdon |
Replies yes and explains that the individual is here to testify on another bill. States that Metro has one other employee here. |
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036 |
Sen. Atkinson |
States that he is friends with Randy Tucker. |
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037 |
Bragdon |
Discusses local zoning. |
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047 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Asks how that is a balance. Asks why the legislature is being asked to intervene. |
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052 |
Bragdon |
Says that Metro is not asking the legislature to intervene. Prefers to have this issue settled regionally. Continues discussing local zoning. |
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085 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Discusses efficiency and the economy. |
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095 |
Bragdon |
Responds. |
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097 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Makes comment. |
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098 |
Bragdon |
Apologizes to Sen. Atkinson. |
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102 |
Chair Ringo |
States that he supports Metro. Discusses regional approach. States that a public hearing on SB 730 is not an attack on Metro. Discusses resolving conflicts. Says that he wants to hear what people have to say about this issue. |
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125 |
Richard Kidd |
Mayor, City of Forest Grove. Testifies in support of SB 730. |
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150 |
Ed Truax |
President, Tualatin City Council. States that he is testifying in place of the Mayor of Tualatin. Testifies in support of SB 730. Submits written testimony on behalf of Lou Ogden, Mayor of Tualatin, in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT D). |
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193 |
Chair Ringo |
Says that Mr. Bragdon just testified that Metro doesn’t have any desire, staffing, capacity, or permitting desk to do local zoning. |
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198 |
Truax |
Counters that Metro has the ability to bring land adjacent to a city inside the urban growth boundary (UGB) and specify the use for which it is to be developed. States that this is zoning. |
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201 |
Chair Ringo |
Clarifies that witness wants Metro to bring land inside the UGB but leave the decision of how the land will be used to the city. |
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204 |
Truax |
Explains using an example. |
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222 |
Chair Ringo |
Discusses process of bringing land inside the UGB. |
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227 |
Truax |
Responds. Discusses soil classification. |
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239 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Thanks witness for taking the time off work to come and testify. |
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245 |
Judie Hammerstad |
Mayor, City of Lake Oswego. Submits and reads written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHBIIT E). |
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292 |
Chair Ringo |
Makes comment. |
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293 |
Hammerstad |
Continues reading testimony in opposition to SB 730. |
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305 |
Charlotte Lehan |
Mayor, City of Wilsonville. States that she is a volunteer mayor. Submits and highlights written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT F). |
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383 |
Jim Bernard |
Mayor, City of Milwaukee. States that he is a volunteer mayor. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. |
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TAPE 51, B |
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008 |
Dee Wescott |
Mayor, City of Damascus. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. |
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025 |
Chair Ringo |
Thanks witnesses for coming. |
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030 |
Jonathan Schleuter |
Executive Director, Westside Economic Alliance. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 730 (EXHIBIT G). |
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088 |
Bob Bailey |
City Commission President, City of Oregon City. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. |
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095 |
Elon Hasson |
Legislative Director, 1000 Friends of Oregon. Testifies in opposition to SB 730. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H). |
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110 |
Dennis Mulvehill |
Washington County. Says that Washington County supports SB 730 but does not like the way it is written. States that Washington County would like to be part of a workgroup. |
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The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Randy Leonard |
Commissioner, City of Portland. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT I). |
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Bob Bailey |
City Commissioner, Oregon City. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT J). |
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Paul Thalhofer |
Mayor, City of Troutdale. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT K). |
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Deanna Palm |
President, Greater Hillsboro Area Chamber of Commerce. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 730 (EXHIBIT L). |
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120 |
Chair Ringo |
States that SB 730 will not be moved today. Closes public hearing on SB 730 and opens public hearing on SB 431. |
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SB 431 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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133 |
Chair Ringo |
Recesses public hearing on SB 431 and opens public hearing on SB 900. |
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SB 900 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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140 |
Susan McLain |
Metro Councilor. Introduces herself. Testifies in opposition to SB 900. Testifies in support of SB 245. |
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200 |
Sen. Bruce Starr |
Represents Senate District 15. Submits map of Urban Growth Boundary (EXHIBIT M). Testifies in support of SB 900. |
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265 |
Richard Kidd |
Mayor, City of Forest Grove. Gives background information on the City of Forest Grove with regards to growth. Gives statistics on Forest Grove. Testifies in support of SB 900. |
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350 |
Kidd |
Continues testimony in support of SB 900. |
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395 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks if it is possible for Forest Grove to be excluded from Metro. |
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400 |
Kidd |
Responds. Explains. |
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418 |
McLain |
Discusses potential concerns. |
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TAPE 52, B |
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013 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks witness if something needs to be done with the Forest Grove-Cornelius island. |
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015 |
McLain |
Responds. |
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023 |
Sen. B. Starr |
Discusses previous legislation. Makes comment on timeline. |
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029 |
McLain |
Responds. |
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038 |
Chair Ringo |
Understands that witness supports SB 245. Asks if there would be some version of SB 900 that witness would approve of. |
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040 |
McLain |
Responds. |
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041 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks Randy Tucker if he would support amendments. |
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045 |
Sen. Beyer |
Makes comment. |
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047 |
Kidd |
Says that Forest Grove cannot wait until 2009. |
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048 |
Sen. Beyer |
Makes comment. |
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049 |
Kidd |
Concludes testimony. |
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The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Elon Hasson |
Legislative Director, 1000 Friends of Oregon. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 900 (EXHIBIT N). |
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054 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes public hearing on SB 900 and opens public hearing on SB 245. |
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SB 245 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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065 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks Randy Tucker about SB 900. |
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067 |
Randy Tucker |
Legislative Affairs Manager, Metro. Responds. |
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069 |
Chair Ringo |
States that it seems like there is a problem that needs to be solved. |
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071 |
Tucker |
Talks about SB 245 and year 2009. |
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079 |
Tucker |
Testifies in support of SB 245. |
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112 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks about timeline with an extension of the current two year cycle. |
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113 |
Tucker |
Replies 2009 and explains. |
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117 |
Chair Ringo |
Verifies that witness is planning on proposing amendments. |
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118 |
Tucker |
Confirms this. Gives further details. |
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130 |
Jon Chandler |
Oregon Home Builders Association. Testifies on SB 245 and explains neutral position. |
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143 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes public hearing on SB 245 and reopens public hearing on SB 431. |
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SB 431 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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145 |
Richard Benner |
Metro. Testifies in support of SB 431. Explains -1 amendments which are submitted for the record by staff (EXHIBIT O). |
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208 |
Bob Rindy |
Legislative Coordinator, Department of Land Conservation and Development (DLCD). Submits written testimony in support of SB 431 (EXHIBIT P). Concurs with Richard Benner. Supports -1 amendments and states that the amendments resolve the concerns of DLCD. |
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213 |
Chair Ringo |
Explains SB 431 to Sen. Shields. Asks Sen. Beyer if he is comfortable with SB 431. |
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215 |
Sen. Beyer |
Replies yes. |
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216 |
Chair Ringo |
Refers to written testimony of witness (EXHIBIT P) and asks if another sheet could be provided with more information and more substance addressing the issues that were raised. |
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226 |
Benner |
Asks when that would be needed. |
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227 |
Chair Ringo |
Responds. |
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229 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes public hearing on SB 431 and opens work session on SB 431. |
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SB 431 – WORK SESSION |
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230 |
Chair Ringo |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 431-1 amendments dated 03/23/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Atkinson, Burdick |
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232 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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233 |
Chair Ringo |
MOTION: Moves SB 431 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Atkinson, Burdick |
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234 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. RINGO will lead discussion on the floor. |
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235 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes work session on SB 431 and adjourns meeting at 4:51 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
A. SB 730, written testimony, Tim Sercombe, 2 pp
B. SB 730, written testimony, Tom Hughes, 3 pp
C. SB 730, written testimony, David Bragdon, 2 pp
D. SB 730, written testimony of Lou Ogden, Ed Truax, 2 pp
E. SB 730, written testimony, Judie Hammerstad, 1 p
F. SB 730, written testimony, Charlotte Lehan, 1 p
G. SB 730, written testimony, Jonathan Schleuter, 2 pp
H. SB 730 , written testimony, Elon Hasson, 2 pp
I. SB 730, written testimony, Randy Leonard, 1 p
J. SB 730, written testimony, Bob Bailey, 1 p
K. SB 730, written testimony, Paul Thalhofer, 1 p
L. SB 730, written testimony, Deanna Palm, 1 p
M. SB 900, map, Sen. Bruce Starr, 1 p
N. SB 900, written testimony, Elon Hasson, 2 pp
O. SB 431, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p
P. SB 431, written testimony, Bob Rindy, 1 p