SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE

 

 

March 25, 2005                                     VAN PORT ROOM, PORTLAND STATE UNIVERSITY

10:00 A.M.                                                                                                                   Tapes 55 - 58

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Frank Shields

 

MEMBERS EXCUSED:        Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

 

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Matt Shields, Committee Administrator

Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

SB 344 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 55, A                             

005

Chair Ringo

Calls meeting to order at 10:05 a.m. Makes opening remarks. Opens public hearing on SB 344.

SB 344 – PUBLIC HEARING

020

Jennifer Allen

Research Associate Professor, Portland State University (PSU); and Associate Director, International Environmental Safety and Sustainability Education Program. Submits and reads written testimony welcoming the committee to PSU (EXHIBIT A).

070

Dr. Jane Lubchenco

Valley Professor of Marine Biology and Distinguished Professor of Zoology, Oregon State University; President, International Council for Science; and Member, National Science Board. Submits informational packet (EXHIBIT B). Reads written testimony included in informational packet.

150

Lubchenco

Continues reading written testimony.

250

Lubchenco

Continues reading written testimony.

350

Lubchenco

Continues reading written testimony.

410

Chair Ringo

Thanks witness for her presentation and work on this subject. Mentions Executive Summary (EXHIBIT B). States that it is signed by 50 professors from many different scientific disciplines. Asks how witness responds to people who don’t think that the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that humans are a factor in global warming.

TAPE 56, A

008

Lubchenco

Responds.

035

Sen. Burdick

Thanks witness for her impressive presentation. Asks about activity of the hydrology. Says that she cannot remember the terminology used by witness.

036

Lubchenco

Replies the water cycle.

037

Sen. Burdick

Asks question about the water cycle.

040

Lubchenco

Explains in detail.

067

Sen. Burdick

Discusses one method of reducing global warming. Asks about impact of mentioned trends on microbes, viruses and bacteria that could have a health effect on overpopulated countries.

073

Lubchenco

Discusses pollution from developed countries. Discusses populations in various countries. Addresses the question of health implications.

095

Sen. Shields

Wonders about reaction time to health concerns.

100

Lubchenco

Discusses responses. Gives recommendations.

120

Jason Mark

Director, Clean Vehicles Program. Makes introductory remarks. Discusses climate changes.

140

Mark

Submits and presents a PowerPoint presentation titled “Addressing Air Quality and Climate Change in Oregon” (EXHIBIT C).

198

Sen. Shields

Asks about time frame.

199

Mark

Explains.

200

Mark

Continues PowerPoint presentation.

260

Chair Ringo

Asks what percent of CO2 emissions are caused by vehicles.

263

Mark

Replies that in the United States it is 20 percent and explains.

265

Chair Ringo

Asks what the other sources of CO2 emissions are.

266

Mark

Replies that electricity is another major source.

268

Chair Ringo

Asks if coal burning power plants are a major source.

270

Mark

Replies yes and explains that natural gas is also a significant source of greenhouse gasses.

271

Mark

Continues PowerPoint presentation.

315

Chair Ringo

Asks about production with regard to California’s emission standards.

318

Mark

Responds.

324

Chair Ringo

Asks about the marketplace.

325

Mark

Explains.

340

Chair Ringo

Asks if there is a backlog of customers who are waiting to buy a hybrid vehicle in California.

341

Mark

Replies yes and explains.

342

Mark

Continues PowerPoint presentation.

400

Chair Ringo

Clarifies that witness’ estimation is based on the price of gasoline at two dollars a gallon.

401

Mark

Confirms this.

402

Chair Ringo

Asks what the price of gas is in California.

403

Mark

Replies $2.30.

404

Mark

Concludes PowerPoint presentation.

410

Paul Cosgrove

Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. Submits written testimony and a graph (EXHIBIT D). Discusses concerns with SB 344.

TAPE 55, B

001

Cosgrove

Continues discussion of SB 344.

090

Chair Ringo

Understands that it is not perfect for Oregon to adopt California’s emission standards, but states that it is an improvement over waiting for the Environmental Protection Agency and the federal government to take action on this issue.

095

Cosgrove

Refers to chart attached to testimony (EXHIBIT D). Responds to comment. Refers to previous testimony.

105

Chair Ringo

Makes comment.

108

Cosgrove

Responds.

109

Chair Ringo

Makes comment about diesel Jettas.

111

Cosgrove

Discusses clean fuel development. States that California is specifically anti-diesel.

119

Cosgrove

Continues discussion of SB 344.

150

Cosgrove

States opposition to SB 344 and recommends creating a task force.

155

Steve Douglas

Director of Environmental Affairs, Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. Offers to answer questions.

160

Sen. Shields

Asks if witness is here with Paul Cosgrove.

161

Chair Ringo

States that the two witnesses came up together.

162

Sen. Shields

Asks witness what his title is.

164

Douglas

Responds.

166

Sen. Shields

Asks witness what the scientific basis is of the anti-diesel position of California.

168

Douglas

Asks for clarification.

170

Sen. Shields

Clarifies.

175

Douglas

Gives background information.

190

Chair Ringo

Wonders if it isn’t generally accepted that diesel emissions are particularly harmful to human health.

192

Douglas

Discusses diesel emissions.

207

Chair Ringo

States that there is a lot of effort to reduce diesel emissions in Oregon.

213

Cosgrove

Discusses diesel emissions. Submits written testimony on behalf of Jim Geisinger, Executive Vice President of Associated Loggers, Inc. in opposition to SB 344 (EXHIBIT E). Submits written testimony on behalf of David Dillon, Daimler Chrysler on SB 344 (EXHIBIT F). Submits written testimony on behalf of John Ledger, Vice President of External Affairs, Associated Oregon Industries in opposition to SB 344 (EXHIBIT G).

238

Chair Ringo

Makes comment on incentive.

240

Douglas

Discusses incentive.

246

Chair Ringo

Asks Mr. Mark to respond to the issue of diesel fuel.

250

Mark

Discusses diesel fuel in California and diesel technology.

272

Sen. Shields

Verifies that California is anti-pollution and not anti-diesel.

274

Mark

Confirms this.

275

Sen. Shields

Wonders if bio-diesel could meet the standards in California.

276

Mark

Responds.

289

Chair Ringo

Asks how witness responds to the point that California has changed its rules 45 times. Asks how that will affect Oregon.

295

Mark

Responds.

325

North Cheatham

President and Operator, Apeasay Fruit, Hood River.

Discusses:

  • Irrigation water
  • Insect cycle

400

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness relates this problem to warmer temperatures.

401

Cheatham

Confirms this.

Continues discussion of:

  • Insect cycle
  • Fruit tree rejuvenation over cold temperature periods

TAPE 56, B

015

Angus Duncan

President and CEO, Bonneville Environmental Foundation and Member, Governor’s Advisory Group on Global Warming. Testifies on SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

100

Duncan

Continues testimony on SB 344.

170

Duncan

Concludes testimony.

195

Chair Ringo

Thanks witness for his testimony.

200

Rachel Langford

Clean Air Program Coordinator, American Lung Association of Oregon. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 344 (EXHIBIT I).

215

Chair Ringo

Understands that adopting California’s emission standards will impact CO2 levels. Asks what other elements, types of chemicals or particulates it will impact.

219

Langford

Replies that it will impact ozone, particle pollution and toxic air pollutants.

220

Chair Ringo

Clarifies that those particulates are contributors to asthmas and lung cancers.

222

Langford

Replies yes and adds that ozone is also a contributor.

225

Langford

Continues testimony in support of SB 344.

320

Steve Schell

Former Chair and President, Energy Trust of Oregon. States that he is not testifying on behalf of the Energy Trust of Oregon. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).

360

Chair Ringo

Thanks witness for coming.

361

Sen. Shields

Thanks witness for coming.

362

Mitchell Rofsky

President, Better World Club. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K).

TAPE 57, A

014

Chair Ringo

Makes comment about Better World Club.

016

Rofsky

Responds.

017

Chair Ringo

Asks what the website address is.

018

Rofsky

Replies.

020

Ken Ray

Sales Manager, Ron Tonkin Dodge in Clackamas. Submits and highlights written testimony in opposition to SB 344 (EXHIBIT L).

075

Chair Ringo

Thanks witness for his testimony. Makes comment.

076

Ray

Responds.

080

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness agrees that government needs to address global warming issue. Asks if witness would disagree with that.

081

Ray

Responds.

082

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness will defer to the experts.

083

Ray

Responds.

084

Chair Ringo

Recesses meeting for lunch at 12:05 p.m.

085

Chair Ringo

Calls meeting back to order at 12:56 p.m.

095

Fred Heutte

Oregon Chapter Energy Coordinator, Sierra Club. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT M).

128

KC Golden

Climatic Solutions. Testifies in support of SB 344.

213

Chair Ringo

Thanks witness for coming.

215

Golden

Discusses market.

220

Sen. Shields

Makes comment.

223

Glen Spain

Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits articles (EXHIBIT N).

300

Spain

Continues testimony in support of SB 344.

365

Chair Ringo

Asks about rising temperatures in rivers.

370

Spain

Refers to SB 555 and states support for it. Discusses reasons for rising temperatures in rivers.

385

Jared Kahn

Law student, Lewis and Clark Law School and member, Northwest Environmental Defense Center. Testifies in support of SB 344. Gives recommendations to committee.

TAPE 58, A

001

Kahn

Continues testimony in support of SB 344. Submits informational packet (EXHIBIT O).

040

Sen. Shields

Makes comment. States that he supports SB 344.

049

Kahn

Responds.

055

Chris Hagerbaumer

Program Director, Oregon Environmental Council. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT P).

100

Chair Ringo

Asks about cancers.

103

Hagerbaumer

Responds.

105

Hagerbaumer

Continues testimony in support of SB 344.

122

Mike Unger

Engineers for Global Responsibility. Testifies in support of SB 344.

165

Roy Scheer

Student, Willamette University. Testifies in support of SB 344.

185

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness is talking about new vehicles.

186

Scheer

Confirms this.

187

Chair Ringo

Gives hypothetical scenario.

190

Scheer

Responds.

195

Michel Lang

Conservation Director, Friends of the Columbia River Gorge. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits report titled “Winter Deposition of Nitrogen and Sulfur in the Eastern Columbia River Gorge National Scenic Area” (EXHIBIT Q) and a study titled “Fog Water Deposition in the Eastern Columbia River Gorge NSA” (EXHIBIT R).

250

Lang

Continues testimony in support of SB 344.

335

Jenny Holmes

Program Director, Oregon Ecumenical Ministries, Interfaith Network for Earth Concerns, and Coordinator, Oregon Interfaith Global Warming Campaign. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT S).

410

Alex Fidis

Citizen, Portland. Testifies in support of SB 344.

430

Chair Ringo

Encourages witness to contact his legislators. Asks if witness knows who his legislators are.

433

Fidis

Responds.

434

Chair Ringo

Encourages witness to find out who his legislators are and contact them.

436

Fidis

Responds.

TAPE 57, B

006

John Charles

Cascade Policy Institute. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT T). Testifies in opposition to SB 344.

063

Chair Ringo

Discusses previous testimony. Mentions human health impacts. Asks if witness accepts the science that there are human health impacts because of air particulates related to pollution.

070

Charles

Responds.

073

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness does not dispute that air pollution is a matter of public health concern.

075

Charles

Replies that he does not dispute it when it actually is air pollution. Discusses CO2, and states that it is not a pollutant.

078

Chair Ringo

Discusses previous testimony and other pollutants with respect to the adoption of California’s emission standards.

082

Charles

Responds.

090

Katherine Lin

Law Student, Lewis and Clark Law School; and member, Northwest Environmental Defense Center. Testifies in support of SB 344.

115

Jeremy Wright

Oregon State Public Interest Research Group. Testifies in support of SB 344. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT U).

150

Dave Stewart-Smith

Assistant Director, Energy Resources, Oregon Department of Energy. Testifies in support of SB 344.

185

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness has anything written to provide to the committee.

186

Stewart-Smith

Replies no.

188

Chair Ringo

Makes comment on witness’ testimony.

190

Stewart-Smith

Responds.

197

Lubchenco

Discusses points brought up in previous testimony.

255

Sen. Shields

Asks witness to put into context the statement that CO2 is not a pollutant.

260

Lubchenco

Discusses classification of CO2.

284

Sen. Shields

Makes comment.

285

Lubchenco

Responds.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony:

 

Dr. Catherine Thommason

Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility. Submits a report titled “Degrees of Danger; Health Effects of Climate Change and Energy in Oregon” (EXHIBIT V).

 

Bob Russell

President, Oregon Trucking Associations, Inc. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 344 (EXHIBIT W).

 

Andrew Ginsburg

Air Quality Administrator, Department of Environmental Quality. Submits written testimony on SB 344 (EXHIBIT X).

 

George H. Taylor

State Climatologist, Oregon State University. Submits written testimony on SB 344 (EXHIBIT Y).

 

Margaret Oliphant

Air Quality Legislative Coordinator, Department of Environmental Quality. Submits written testimony on SB 344 (EXHIBIT Z).

 

Vern Groves

Retired United Methodist Pastor. Submits written testimony in support of SB 344 (EXHIBIT AA).

 

Lynn Lundquist

Oregon Business Association. Submits a letter to the Oregon Department of Energy (EXHIBIT BB).

290

Chair Ringo

Thanks everyone for coming. Closes public hearing on SB 344 and adjourns meeting at 2:06 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.     SB 344, written testimony, Jennifer Allen, 5 pp

B.     SB 344, informational packet, Jane Lubchenco, 212 pp

C.     SB 344, PowerPoint presentation, Jason Mark, 7 pp

D.    SB 344, written testimony, Paul Cosgrove, 3 pp

E.     SB 344, written testimony of Jim Geisinger, Paul Cosgrove, 1 p

F.      SB 344, written testimony of David Dillon, Paul Cosgrove, 7 pp

G.    SB 344, written testimony of John Ledger, Paul Cosgrove, 1 p

H.    SB 344, written testimony, Angus Duncan, 3 pp

I.       SB 344, written testimony, Rachel Langford, 7 pp

J.      SB 344, written testimony, Steve Schell, 5 pp

K.    SB 344, written testimony, Mitchell Rofsky, 2 pp

L.     SB 344, written testimony, Ken Ray, 1 p

M.  SB 344, written testimony, Fred Heutte, 3 pp

N.    SB 344, articles, Glen Spain, 5 pp

O.    SB 344, informational packet, Jared Kahn, 25 pp

P.      SB 344, written testimony, Chris Hagerbaumer, 3 pp

Q.    SB 344, report, Michael Lang, 14 pp

R.    SB 344, study, Michael Lang, 3 pp

S.      SB 344, written testimony, Jenny Holmes, 1 p

T.     SB 344, written testimony, John Charles, 7 pp

U.     SB 344, written testimony, Jeremy Wright, 2 pp

V.     SB 344, report, Catherine Thommason, 44 pp

W.   SB 344, written testimony, Bob Russell, 2 pp

X.     SB 344, written testimony, Andrew Ginsburg, 2 pp

Y.     SB 344, written testimony, George H. Taylor, 3 pp

Z.      SB 344, written testimony, Margaret Oliphant, 4 pp

AA.           SB 344, written testimony, Vern Groves, 1 p

BB.           SB 344, letter, Lynn Lundquist, 3 pp