SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE
March 31, 2005 Hearing Room 343
7:00 A.M. Tapes 66 - 67
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair
Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair
Sen. Roger Beyer
Sen. Ginny Burdick
Sen. Frank Shields
STAFF PRESENT: Matt Shields, Committee Administrator
Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 890 – Public Hearing
SB 125 – Work Session
SB 737 – Work Session
SB 861 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 66, A |
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005 |
Chair Ringo |
Calls meeting to order at 7:11 a.m. and opens public hearing on SB 890. |
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SB 890 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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008 |
Sen. Bruce Starr |
Represents Senate District 15. Testifies in support of SB 890. |
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095 |
Sen. Shields |
Discusses tax credits for purchases. Observes that SB 890 would provide a tax credit for the research and development phase. Wonders at what point in the process of research and development the tax credit would be applied. |
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108 |
Sen. B. Starr |
Responds. |
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115 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks about alternate fuels. |
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121 |
Sen. B. Starr |
Responds. |
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122 |
Sen. Beyer |
Makes comment about language “for costs incurred” in SB 890. |
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127 |
Chair Ringo |
Mentions hearing on Friday, March 25, 2005. Discusses use of fuels. Believes SB 890 is a move in the right direction. |
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136 |
Mike Grainey |
Oregon Department of Energy. Testifies in support of SB 890. States that the governor’s office wants to see SB 890 moved to the Revenue committee. |
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155 |
Sen. Shields |
Remarks on witness’ testimony. |
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169 |
Chair Ringo |
Makes comments. |
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171 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes public hearing on SB 890 and opens work session on SB 125. |
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SB 125 – WORK SESSION |
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Matt Shields |
Committee Administrator. Submits SB 125-2 amendments for the record (EXHIBIT A). |
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183 |
Chair Ringo |
Discusses SB 125. |
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187 |
Bill Fisher |
Former Senator, and resident, Roseburg. Discusses the -2 amendments. Discusses specific language of the -2 amendments. |
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212 |
Roy Elicker |
Deputy Director, Fish and Wildlife Programs, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife. Testifies in support of SB 125 with the -2 amendments. |
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216 |
Chair Ringo |
Verifies that witness wants the -2 amendments moved. |
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217 |
Elicker |
Replies yes. |
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220 |
Sen. Atkinson |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 125-2 amendments dated 03/16/05. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Burdick |
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221 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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222 |
Sen. Atkinson |
MOTION: Moves SB 125 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Burdick |
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224 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. RINGO will lead discussion on the floor. |
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225 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes work session on SB 125 and opens work session on SB 737. |
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SB 737 – WORK SESSION |
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Matt Shields |
Committee Administrator. Submits SB 737-1 amendments for the record (EXHIBIT B). |
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228 |
Chair Ringo |
Explains that SB 737 was re-referred to the committee. |
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230 |
Mike Grainey |
Oregon Department of Energy. Explains SB 737. Details concerns of language in SB 737. Explains the -1 amendments. |
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250 |
Sen. Atkinson |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 737-1 amendments dated 03/28/05. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Burdick |
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254 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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255 |
Sen. Atkinson |
MOTION: Moves SB 737 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Burdick |
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259 |
Chair Ringo |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. RINGO will lead discussion on the floor. |
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260 |
Chair Ringo |
Makes comments. Closes work session on SB 737 and opens public hearing on SB 861. |
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SB 861 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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Matt Shields |
Committee Administrator. Submits SB 861-1 amendments for the record (EXHIBIT C). |
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270 |
Sen. Doug Whitsett |
Represents Senate District 28. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D). |
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288 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if Sen. Whitsett is familiar with mentioned practice of force feeding of geese. |
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290 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Replies. |
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293 |
Ted E. Keizer |
Legislative Assistant, Sen. Joanne Verger’s office. Introduces himself. Submits written testimony on behalf of Sen. Joanne Verger (EXHIBIT E). Asks permission to show a six minute video. |
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304 |
Chair Ringo |
Gives permission. |
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305 |
Keizer |
Starts six minute video showing the force feeding of birds. |
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325 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks where this video was taken. |
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326 |
Keizer |
Explains. |
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330 |
Chair Ringo |
Verifies location. |
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331 |
Keizer |
Explains. |
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335 |
Keizer |
Continues video on force feeding of birds. |
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TAPE 67, A |
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Chair Ringo |
Asks if witness has talked to the Oregon Restaurant Association regarding SB 861. |
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012 |
Keizer |
Responds. States that the Oregon Grocer’s Association is not opposed to SB 861. |
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030 |
Craig Sparks |
North American Wildlife Alliance. Testifies in support of SB 861. Comments on video. Submits informational packet (EXHIBIT F). |
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060 |
Chair Ringo |
Discusses foie gras. Verifies that the practice of force feeding is in order to make the livers of geese larger. |
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063 |
Sparks |
Replies yes. |
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064 |
Chair Ringo |
States that foie gras could still be served in restaurants, but it would have to be made out of normal sized livers. |
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065 |
Sparks |
Replies yes and discusses the market for foie gras. |
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070 |
Connie Theil |
Citizen. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G). |
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078 |
Sparks |
Mentions that California recently banned the process of force feeding. States that there is pending legislation in New York as well. |
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081 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if the ban relates to the sale or production of foie gras. |
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083 |
Sparks |
Believes both. States that the ban does not take effect until 2012 and explains. |
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084 |
Chair Ringo |
Thanks witnesses for testimony. |
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087 |
Guillermo Gonzalez |
Resident, Sonoma, California and foie gras producer. Testifies in opposition to SB 861. States that the video shown does not represent his farm or foie gras production as a whole. |
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150 |
Gonzalez |
Continues testimony in opposition to SB 861. |
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192 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if witness has a video of his operation. |
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195 |
Gonzalez |
Replies yes and states that it is a non-professional video. |
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196 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if witness has the video with him. |
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197 |
Gonzalez |
Replies no, but offers to provide it to the committee. |
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200 |
Chair Ringo |
Agrees that decisions need to be made on facts and not misinformation. States that he found the video disturbing. |
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202 |
Gonzalez |
States that it is. |
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203 |
Chair Ringo |
Says that it is important to be humane to animals. Asks witness if he force feeds the geese in the way depicted in the video. |
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206 |
Gonzalez |
States that he was not able to observe the video. States that intubation is used to feed the birds. |
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207 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if intubation means to put a tube down the bird’s throat. |
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208 |
Gonzalez |
Replies yes. Continues explanation of the process of feeding. |
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221 |
Gonzalez |
States that they do not use individual cages. Discusses foie gras operation. |
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242 |
Sen. Shields |
Discusses inaccuracies in videos. Discusses tours. Asks how the accuracy of either video could be verified. |
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254 |
Gonzalez |
Responds. |
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275 |
Sara Eickhoff |
Resident, Multnomah County. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 861 (EXHIBIT H). |
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309 |
Diane Luck |
Resident, Multnomah County. Comments on Mr. Gonzalez’ testimony. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I). |
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338 |
Matt Rossell |
Northwest Outreach Coordinator, In Defense of Animals. States that In Defense of Animas did not initiate SB 861. Makes comments on Mr. Gonzalez’ testimony. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J). |
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TAPE 66, B |
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Geoff Latham |
President, Nicky USA Inc. Testifies in opposition to SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K). |
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056 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks about witness’ business. |
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057 |
Latham |
Explains. |
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062 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks for clarification of business. |
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063 |
Latham |
Explains. |
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066 |
Latham |
Continues testimony in opposition to SB 861. |
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080 |
Thomas Hurley |
Chef owner, Portland. States that his restaurant has been targeted. |
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087 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks what the name of the restaurant is. |
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088 |
Hurley |
Replies Hurley’s. |
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089 |
Hurley |
Testifies in opposition to SB 861. |
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116 |
Chair Ringo |
Makes comments on witness’ testimony. |
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120 |
Hurley |
Makes comments. |
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137 |
Pascal Sauton |
Restaurant owner and chef, Portland. Testifies in opposition to SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT L). |
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195 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks if witness thinks that people would still come to his restaurant if he no longer served foie gras. |
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201 |
Sauton |
Replies. |
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205 |
Chair Ringo |
Verifies that witness said he sold 200 orders of foie gras in the month of December. |
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206 |
Sauton |
Confirms this. |
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207 |
Chair Ringo |
Asks what the name of the restaurant is. |
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208 |
Sauton |
Replies. |
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209 |
Hurley |
States that there are other dishes, but there are people who come to the restaurant just for foie gras. |
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217 |
Sauton |
Concludes testimony in opposition to SB 861. |
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236 |
Connie Durkee |
Lighthouse Farm Sanctuary. Submits and reads written testimony on behalf of Wayne Geiger in support of SB 861 (EXHIBIT M). |
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266 |
Piper Dixon |
Resident, Multnomah County. Testifies in support of SB 861. |
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290 |
Sydney Most |
Citizen. Testifies in support of SB 861. |
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325 |
Ellie McKay |
Resident, Multnomah County. Testifies in support of SB 861. |
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336 |
Nancy McKay |
Resident, Multnomah County. Testifies in support of SB 861. |
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340 |
Kelly Peterson |
Humane Society of the United States. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT N). |
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348 |
Marcia Keith |
Oregon Veterinary Medical Association. Testifies in support of SB 861. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT O). |
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The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Katie Fast |
Oregon Farm Bureau. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 861 (EXHIBIT P). |
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353 |
Chair Ringo |
Closes public hearing on SB 861 and adjourns meeting at 8:31 a.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
A. SB 125, -2 amendments, Staff, 1 p
B. SB 737, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p
C. SB 861, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p
D. SB 861, written testimony, Sen. Doug Whitsett, 1 p
E. SB 861, written testimony of Joanne Verger, Ted Keizer, 1 p
F. SB 861, informational packet, Craig Sparks, 5 pp
G. SB 861, written testimony, Connie Theil, 1 p
H. SB 861, written testimony, Sara Eickhoff, 1 p
I. SB 861, written testimony, Diane Luck, 1 p
J. SB 861, written testimony, Matt Rossell, 1 p
K. SB 861, written testimony, Geoff Latham, 1 p
L. SB 861, written testimony, Pascal Sauton, 2 pp
M. SB 861, written testimony of Wayne Geiger, Connie Durkee, 1 p
N. SB 861, written testimony, Kelly Peterson, 3 pp
O. SB 861, written testimony, Marcia Keith, 2 pp
P. SB 861, written testimony, Katie Fast, 1 p