SENATE COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT & LAND USE

 

April 04, 2005                                                                                                         Hearing Room B

3:00 P.M.                                                                                                                      Tapes 68 - 70

Corrected 10/18/05

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Charlie Ringo, Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Frank Shields

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:          Sen. Ginny Burdick

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Matt Shields, Committee Administrator

Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:        

SB 652 – Public Hearing

SB 851 – Public Hearing

SB 852 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 68, A

005

Chair Ringo

Calls meeting to order at 3:08 p.m. and opens public hearing on SB 652.

SB 652 – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Jim McCauley

Legislative Coordinator, Water Quality Division, Oregon Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ). Submits and reads written testimony on SB 652 (EXHIBIT A).

057

Mary Abrams

Laboratory Administrator, DEQ. Says that she does not have anything to add unless there are specific questions about the monitoring program.

060

Chair Ringo

Mentions potential fiscal impact. Asks Mr. McCauley how he weighs this expenditure with other expenditures related to environment protection.

063

McCauley

Discusses current monitoring program.

070

Abrams

Discusses current monitoring program.

085

Sen. Beyer

Asks who currently does testing of fish.

086

Abrams

Responds.

105

Travis Williams

Riverkeeper and Executive Director, Willamette Riverkeeper. Testifies in support of SB 652. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B).

133

Rhett Lawrence

Environmental Advocate, Oregon State Public Interest Research Group. Testifies in support of SB 652. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

147

Brent Foster

Attorney, Columbia Riverkeeper. Testifies in support of SB 652.

185

John Ledger

Associated Oregon Industries. Testifies in support of SB 652. Submits graphs (EXHIBIT D).

205

Kathryn VanNatta

Northwest Pulp and Paper Association. States that some concerns need to be addressed if they are going to support SB 652. Submits report titled “Environmental Stresses and Skeletal Deformities in Fish from the Willamette River, Oregon, USA” (EXHIBIT E).

250

Roger Martin

Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla. Testifies in support of SB 652.

299

Doug Myers

Trout Unlimited. Testifies in support of SB 652. Submits written testimony on behalf of Tom Wolf, Chair, Oregon Council Trout Unlimited in support of SB 652 (EXHIBIT F).

309

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 652 and opens public hearing on SB 851 and SB 852.

SB 851 AND SB 852 – PUBLIC HEARING

320

Matt Shields

Committee Administrator. Gives overview of SB 851 and SB 852.

355

Brent Foster

Conservation Chair, Oregon Chapter Sierra Club. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G).

TAPE 69, A

001

Foster

Continues testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852.

067

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness is referring to the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) or the Department of Human Services (DHS).

068

Foster

Replies DHS.

069

Chair Ringo

Asks witness to repeat numbers.

070

Foster

Repeats and discusses numbers.

090

Rep. Peter Buckley

Represents House District 5. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

102

Sen. Shields

Talks about the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Makes comments that toothpaste is regulated, but water is not. Asks if witness knows of a rationale for this.

115

Rep. Buckley

Replies no.

118

Sen. Atkinson

Asks if Ashland puts fluoride in the water.

119

Rep. Buckley

Replies no.

120

Sen. Atkinson

Makes comment.

123

Chair Ringo

States that there are a few people who are going to testify by telephone.

160

Dr. Richard T. Maas

University of North Carolina. Gives background information on his education. Submits and explains written testimony which gives information on the health effects of trace metals in drinking water (EXHIBIT I).

250

Maas

Continues explaining written testimony.

285

Chair Ringo

Asks about intelligence quotient (IQ).

290

Maas

Explains.

292

Chair Ringo

Asks about length of time at mentioned rate of consumption.

294

Maas

Explains.

307

Maas

Continues explaining written testimony.

TAPE 68, B

001

Maas

Continues explaining written testimony.

045

Dr. Jane Myers

Oregon Dental Association and Healthy Smiles Coalition. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 (EXHIBIT J) and written testimony in opposition to SB 852 (EXHIBIT K).

057

Jay Wylam

Dentist, Salem. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852.

095

Myers

Summarizes written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852.

112

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness thinks that this legislation would be pre-empted by federal law.

114

Myers

Replies yes and explains.

119

Chair Ringo

Verifies that witness believes that if the legislature passed SB 851 or SB 852, then it would be pre-empted by federal law.

120

Myers

Replies yes.

122

Myers

Continues summarizing testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852.

165

David Leland

Manager, Public Water Drinking Program, DHS. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852. Discusses fluoridation of drinking water.

195

Sen. Shields

Asks if a pharmaceutical grade fluoride could be developed. Asks if the fluoride put into toothpastes has trace amounts of arsenic and lead in it.

200

Leland

Replies that he does not know the answer.

201

Sen. Shields

States that he heard a yes from the audience.

202

Leland

Believes that the fluoridation compounds available for public water systems probably do have different levels of impurities in them.

205

Chair Ringo

Asks if witness has any analysis as to whether those impurities have any related human health impacts.

207

Leland

Responds.

215

Chair Ringo

Wants to know if DHS has done any analysis on the impurities associated with fluoride to see if those impurities have any human health impacts.

210

Leland

States that DHS has not done an analysis, but that there is a request before them. Discusses the FDA. Relates that the DHS opposes SB 851 and SB 852 because they believe it would prohibit fluoridation.

234

Leland

Addresses Sen. Shields’ question. Thinks that in theory, a pharmaceutical grade of fluoride could be developed.

245

Sen. Shields

Discusses cautionary principle. Asks why the DHS would advocate moving ahead for fluoridation before the research is done.

275

Leland

Responds.

285

Chair Ringo

Asks what the mentioned debate that has not been resolved is.

292

Leland

Responds.

325

Chair Ringo

Wants to move on to other witnesses.

330

Myers

Discusses table in submitted testimony (EXHIBIT K).

350

Dr. Nick Dienel

Cardiologist, Medford. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT L).

TAPE 69, B

005

Chair Ringo

Asks how a cardiologist came to have a specific interest in fluoridation.

006

Dienel

Explains in detail.

023

Sen. Shields

Discusses supporters of fluoridation. Asks what witness has experienced when he talks to people about the topic of fluoridation.

035

Dienel

Responds. Gives an illustration.

045

Chair Ringo

Asks if Mr. Green came here from California to testify.

046

Jeff Green

Citizens for Safe Water. Replies yes.

047

Chair Ringo

Asks where witness is from.

048

Jeff Green

Replies. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT M).

128

Sen. Shields

Thanks witness for coming.

130

Green

Discusses detection of arsenic levels in fluoride compounds.

145

Dr. April Love

Dentist, Newberg. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852. Submits informational packet (EXHIBIT N).

160

Chair Ringo

States that he is not anti-fluoride, but that he is concerned about contaminants in water.

161

Love

Responds. Discusses fluoridation.

210

Chair Ringo

Refers to submitted packet. Asks if the children pictured are not receiving fluoridation through toothpaste.

217

Love

Responds. Highlights submitted informational packet (EXHIBIT N).

268

Chair Ringo

Discusses fluoridation. Mentions an email from a citizen who says that she has liver problems and that fluoride is very harmful to her.

275

Love

States that has never been proven. Discusses causing harm inadvertently while attempting to help people. Gives examples of patients who have had problems because of dental infections.

302

Chair Ringo

Appreciates witness’ testimony.

307

Sen. Shields

Discusses earlier mentioned cautionary principle. Gives example. Asks what happens if in 10 or 15 years there is proof that this is harmful.

329

Love

Responds.

333

Sen. Shields

Asks why there is not a conclusion if this topic has been studied for so long.

334

Love

Responds.

345

Chair Ringo

Asks question about low income children.

356

Love

Responds.

377

Laurie Johnson

Dental Hygienist, Washington County. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT O).

TAPE 70, A

020

Chair Ringo

Asks about the King Fluoride program. Asks how often the children are supposed to take the fluoride tablets.

022

Johnson

Responds daily. Explains.

024

Sen. Shields

Verifies that witness is concerned that the tablets cause a spike in children’s blood fluoride level. Asks witness to explain.

026

Johnson

Explains.

027

Johnson

Continues testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852.

058

Dr. Ann Durrant

Oregon Doctors of Chiropractic. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT P).

135

Claire Darling

Citizen, Beaverton. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT Q).

165

Susan Anderson

Citizen, Beaverton. Testifies in support of SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT R).

175

Darling

Mentions that she is in support of SB 851 and SB 852.

181

Chair Ringo

Asks Lynne Campbell to respond to testimony heard today.

185

Lynne Campbell

Director, Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water. Responds to testimony heard today. Submits informational packet in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT S).

235

Katherine Bradley

DHS. Testifies in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT T).

258

Chair Ringo

Asks if the analysis done by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) relates to the effectiveness of fluoride or if it also covers the related substances.

260

Bradley

Responds.

264

Chair Ringo

Asks if the CDC analysis includes the arsenic, lead and other impurity issues.

265

Bradley

Offers to return information to the committee.

267

Chair Ringo

Makes comments.

273

Sen. Shields

Makes comments.

288

Bradley

Reiterates offer to return information to the committee. Concludes testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852.

302

Michael Framson

Resident, Medford. Submits and reads written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT U).

337

Framson

Reads part of written testimony on behalf of John Walker, President of Gastroenterology Consultants P.C., in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT V).

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony:

 

Rhett Lawrence

Environmental Advocate, Oregon States Public Interest Research Group. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT W).

 

Lois Beran

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT X).

 

J. William Hirzy, Ph. D.

Vice-President, National Treasury Employees Union Chapter 280; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Headquarters Professionals’ Union. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT Y).

 

Richard Crimi

Resident, Beaverton. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT Z).

 

Brian Wegener

Watershed Watch Coordinator, Tualatin Riverkeepers. Submits written testimony on SB 852 (EXHIBIT AA).

 

Otis Nance III

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT BB).

 

Richard Marshall

Resident, Beaverton. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT CC).

 

Matt Shields

Committee Administrator. Submits written testimony on behalf of the New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT DD).

 

Roger D. Masters

Nelson A. Rockefeller Professor Emeritus and Research Professor, Dartmouth College. Submits written testimony on SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT EE).

 

Alanson Randol, DDS

Dentist, Roseburg. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT FF).

 

Walter Manning, DMD

Dentist, Albany. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 852 (EXHIBIT GG).

 

Fred Gant

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT HH).

 

Gaylene Hurley

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 852 (EXHIBIT II).

 

Kellie Barnes

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT JJ).

 

William A. Bonniksen, DMD, MAGD, FICD

Dentist. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT KK).

 

Richard Baynton

Resident, Eugene. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT LL).

 

Sharon Donegan

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT MM).

 

Christopher Cooper

Resident, Tualatin. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT NN).

 

Carol Maker, LCSW

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT OO).

 

Natalie Tracy

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT PP).

 

Pamela Vavra

Resident, Ashland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 852 (EXHIBIT QQ).

 

Dr. Stacey Raffety

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT RR).

 

Leslie O’Neill, Patrick O’Neill, Nathan O’Neill and Liam O’Neill

Residents, Lake Oswego. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT SS).

 

Mary O’Brien, Ph.D.

Resident, Eugene. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT TT).

 

Anne Frye

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT UU).

 

Douglas Vorwaller

Resident, Tigard. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT VV).

 

Rachael Koschak

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT WW).

 

Matt Shields

Committee Administrator. Submits written testimony on behalf of the Holman family in support of SB 852 (EXHIBIT XX).

 

Lauri Tuascher, BSME

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT YY).

 

Pauline Reimers

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT ZZ).

 

Trina D’Amico

Resident, Hillsboro. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT AAA).

 

Diane Donaca, RDH, BS

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT BBB).

 

Kurt Ferre, DDS

Chair, Tri-County Fluoridation Forum. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT CCC).

 

Jonathan Elder

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT DDD).

 

Roslyn Hamilton

Executive Director, Oregon Ecobuilding Network. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT EEE).

 

Gary X. Haight, DMD

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT FFF).

 

Gracie Campbell

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT GGG).

 

Karen Weliky, DMD

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT HHH).

 

Christina Volgyesi

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT III).

 

Nancy Crumpacker, MD

Board Member, Rachel’s Friends Breast Cancer Coalition. Submits written testimony in support of SB 852 (EXHIBIT JJJ).

 

John D. MacArthur

Resident, Bend. Submits written testimony in support of SB 852 (EXHIBIT KKK).

 

Jerry Giedwoyn, MD and Bozena Giedwoyn

Residents, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT LLL).

 

Lisa Arkin

Executive Director, Oregon Toxics Alliance. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT MMM).

 

Deb Davies

Program Director / Assistant Professor, Dental Assisting Program, Central Oregon Community College. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT NNN).

 

William S. Ten Pas, DMD

Sr. Vice President, Dental Services. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT OOO).

 

Kimberly A. Kaminski

Attorney at Law, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT PPP).

 

Amy Marko

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT QQQ).

 

Athena Thompson

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT RRR).

 

RaVen Sequoia

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT SSS).

 

Kevin Shetterly

Citizen. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT TTT).

 

Lynn L. Murray, RDA, CDA, EFDA

Citizen. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT UUU).

 

David Monk

Board President, Oregon Toxics Alliance. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT VVV).

 

Douglas William Bowen

Resident, Portland. Submits written testimony in support of SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT WWW).

 

Don L. Prasnikar, DDS

Dental Director, Kaiser Permanente. Submits written testimony in opposition to SB 851 and SB 852 (EXHIBIT XXX).

 

 

 

350

Chair Ringo

Closes public hearing on SB 851 and SB 852 and adjourns meeting at 5:44 p.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.     SB 652, written testimony, Jim McCauley, 3 pp

B.     SB 652, written testimony, Travis Williams, 1 p

C.     SB 652, written testimony, Rhett Lawrence, 1 p

D.    SB 652, written testimony, John Ledger, 2 pp

E.     SB 652, report, Kathryn VanNatta, 41 pp

F.      SB 652, written testimony of Tom Wolf, Doug Myers, 1 p

G.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Brent Foster, 5 pp

H.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Rep. Peter Buckley, 2 pp

I.       SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Richard Maas, 7 pp

J.      SB 851, written testimony, Jane Myers, 8 pp

K.    SB 852, written testimony, Jane Myers, 8 pp

L.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Nick Dienel, 2 pp

M.  SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Jeff Green 9 pp

N.    SB 851 and SB 852, informational packet, April Love, 33 pp

O.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Laurie Johnson, 6 pp

P.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Ann Durrant, 3 pp

Q.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Claire Darling, 1 p

R.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Susan Anderson, 1 p

S.      SB 851 and SB 852, informational packet, Lynne Campbell, 183 pp

T.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Katherine Bradley, 3 pp

U.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Michael Framson, 2 pp

V.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony of John Walker, Michael Framson, 3 pp

W.   SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Rhett Lawrence, 2 pp

X.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Lois Beran, 16 pp

Y.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, J. William Hirzy, 3 pp

Z.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Richard Crimi, 1 p

AA.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Brian Wegener, 2 pp

BB.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Otis Nance III, 1 p

CC.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Richard Marshall, 2 pp

DD.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony of the New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc., Staff, 5 pp

EE.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Roger D. Masters, 2 pp

FF.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Alanson Randol, 1 p

GG.    SB 852, written testimony, Walter Manning, 1 p

HH.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Fred Gant, 1 p

II.    SB 852, written testimony, Gaylene Hurley, 1 p

JJ.  SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Kellie Barnes, 1 p

KK.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, William A. Bonniksen, 1 p

LL.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Richard Baynton, 1 p

MM.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Sharon Donegan, 1 p

NN.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Christopher Cooper, 1 p

OO.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Carol Maker, 2 pp

PP.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Natalie Tracy, 1 p

QQ.    SB 852, written testimony, Pamela Vavra, 1 p

RR.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Stacey Raffety, 1 p

SS.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Leslie O’Neill, 2 pp

TT.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Mary O’Brien, 1 p

UU.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Anne Frye, 1 p

VV.     SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Douglas Vorwaller, 1 p

WW.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Rachael Koschak, 1 p

XX.     SB 852, written testimony of the Holman family, Staff, 1 p

YY.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Lauri Tuascher, 1 p

ZZ.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Pauline Reimers, 1 p

AAA.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Trina D’Amico, 1 p

BBB.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Diane Donaca, 1 p

CCC.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Kurt Ferre, 2 pp

DDD.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Jonathan Elder, 1 p

EEE.       SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Roslyn Hamilton, 2 pp

FFF.         SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Gary X. Haight, 1 p

GGG.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Gracie Campbell, 1 p

HHH.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Karen Weliky, 1 p

III.SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Christina Volgyesi, 1 p

JJJ.          SB 852, written testimony, Nancy Crumpacker, 1 p

KKK.    SB 852, written testimony, John D. MacArthur, 2 pp

LLL.       SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Jerry Giedwoyn, 2 pp

MMM.                      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Lisa Arkin, 1 p

NNN.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Deb Davies, 1 p

OOO.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, William S. Ten Pas, 1 p

PPP.         SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Kimberly A. Kaminski, 2 pp

QQQ.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Amy Marko, 1 p

RRR.    SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Athena Thompson, 2 pp

SSS.         SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, RaVen Sequoia, 1 p

TTT.       SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Kevin Shetterly, 1 p

UUU.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Lynn L. Murray, 1 p

VVV.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, David Monk, 1 p

WWW.                        SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Douglas William Bowen, 1 p

XXX.      SB 851 and SB 852, written testimony, Don L. Prasnikar, 1 p