SENATE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT
March 11, 2005 Downtown Fire Station
10:30 A.M. Corvallis, Oregon
Tapes 33 - 36
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Frank Shields, Chair
Sen. Gary George, Vice-Chair
Sen. Joanne Verger
Sen. Vicki Walker
MEMBER EXCUSED: Sen. Bruce Starr
STAFF PRESENT: Judith Callens, Committee Administrator
Gary Roulier, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 2 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 3 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 4 – Public Hearing
SB 5 – Public Hearing
SB 557 – Public Hearing
SB 79 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 562 – Public Hearing
SB 817 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 33, A |
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010 |
Chair Shields |
Calls the meeting to order at 10:44 a.m. Introduces the Mayor of Corvallis. |
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028 |
Chair Shields |
Opens a public hearing on SB 2, SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5. |
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SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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037 |
Judith Callens |
Committee Administrator. Explains the provisions of the bills. Presents the -1 amendments to SB 2 (EXHIBIT A) and SB 3 (EXHIBIT B). |
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086 |
Sen. Peter Courtney |
Senate District 11. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT C) and suggested legislation on XI-M bonds (EXHIBIT D). |
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131 |
Sen. Courtney |
Summarizes the expected damage from a severe-magnitude earthquake involving the Cascadia mountain range subduction zone. |
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180 |
Sen. Courtney |
Reviews expected losses at Oregon State University in the event of a large earthquake. |
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231 |
Sen. Courtney |
Outlines the building studies that will be necessary to prioritize the work. |
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285 |
Chair Shields |
Talks about a recent committee meeting regarding budget cuts to the Department of Geology and Mineral Industries (DOGAMI). |
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316 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if there has been any discussion on considering a combination of grants and loans. |
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324 |
Sen. Courtney |
Responds that he is not sure if loans were discussed. |
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330 |
Sen. Verger |
Comments that buildings that would not fit into the first prioritization schedule should have access to a low interest loan program. |
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350 |
Sen. Courtney |
Notes that the cost of retrofitting some buildings could be prohibitive. Reviews the retrofitting of a building at Western Oregon University. |
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400 |
Sen. Walker |
Reviews a recent Oregonian article regarding tsunamis and the difficulty coastal condominium associations have in purchasing earthquake insurance. |
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TAPE 34, A |
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006 |
Sen. Courtney |
Outlines school construction in Waldport where the school is being located on high ground. |
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037 |
Sen. Walker |
Summarizes a workshop on tsunami preparedness. |
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084 |
Vicki McConnell |
State Geologist, DOGAMI. Presents written testimony in support of SB 3 (EXHIBIT E). |
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129 |
McConnell |
Reviews the procedures for conducting seismic rehabilitation. |
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179 |
McConnell |
Outlines the statewide needs assessment. |
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212 |
Sen. George |
Asks if it is possible to move the monies earmarked for bonding into some preliminary research. |
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222 |
McConnell |
Replies it is her understanding that is not possible. |
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242 |
Sen. George |
Asks if any of the bonding bills could be amended to do the research. |
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250 |
McConnell |
Answers she is not aware if that can be done and adds an explanation of how grant eligibility would be determined. |
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288 |
Sen. George |
Asks for a review on how much work has been done to date. |
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293 |
McConnell |
Responds with a summary of work to date. |
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319 |
Yumei Wang |
Seismic Safety Policy Advisory Commission (OSSPAC). Submits written testimony in support of Senate Bills 2, 3, 4, (EXHIBIT F). Submits written testimony from Jim Doane, OSSPAC Chair and from Carol Hasenberg, Portland State University (EXHIBIT G). |
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368 |
Wang |
Outlines her recent experience studying the tsunami in Thailand. |
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402 |
Diane Merten |
Oregon Seismic Safety Policy Advisory Commission (OSSPAC). Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT H) and testifies in support of SB 2, SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5. |
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TAPE 33, B |
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010 |
Merten |
Reviews past earthquakes involving the Cascadia subduction zone. |
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022 |
Merten |
Presents written testimony by Thomas Manning in support of SB 2, SB 3 and SB 557 (EXHIBIT I). |
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039 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the public hearing on SB 2, SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5, and opens a public hearing on SB 557. |
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SB 557 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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047 |
Sen. Bill Morrisette |
Senate District 6. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT J) and testifies in support of SB 557. |
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090 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Summarizes tsunami evacuation timeframes for various communities on the coast. |
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145 |
Sen. Walker |
Notes there is a lack of tsunami warnings in the state parks. |
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160 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Replies that warnings are posted along the highway; parks may be above the danger zones. |
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189 |
Sen. George |
States that the key to these measures is to get funding. |
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213 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Comments on the importance of standardizing the warning systems. |
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238 |
Terry Thompson |
Commissioner, Lincoln County. Testifies in support of SB 557. |
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265 |
Thompson |
Outlines the effect of underwater landslides. |
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278 |
Jim Holly |
Emergency Services, Lincoln County. Testifies in support of SB 557. |
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331 |
Sen. Verger |
Stresses that people are accustom to emergency procedure warnings on aircraft and would not be frightened by tsunamis warnings. |
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372 |
Sen. Morrisette |
Notes that relief efforts would have to come from the sea as the roads would be impassable. |
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TAPE 34, B |
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008 |
Thompson |
Talks about the under-funding of emergency services and the attempts to organize the offshore fishing fleet to respond to a tsunami emergency. |
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016 |
Kenneth Murphy |
Director, Oregon Emergency Management. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT K) and testifies in support of SB 557. |
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063 |
Chair Shields |
Asks about the offshore fleet and how quickly they could respond to an emergency. |
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075 |
Thompson |
Relates efforts to organize the fleet to respond and efforts to establish effective communications. |
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115 |
Holly |
Outlines present communication capabilities. |
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126 |
Thompson |
Comments on the need to have contracts in place with boat owners. |
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135 |
Chair Shields |
Notes that all of the bills deal with mitigation of the disaster. Re-opens the public hearing on SB 2, SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5. |
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SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5, SB 557 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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152 |
Thompson |
Comments that in the recent tsunami children were not able to respond. |
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189 |
James Bela |
Portland resident. Testifies in support of tsunami education and SB 557. |
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238 |
Bela |
Outlines evacuation routes on the Oregon coast. |
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255 |
Frankie Petrick |
Fire Chief, Yachats Fire District. Testifies in support of SB 557. |
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312 |
Sen. Verger |
Asks about the possibility of a loan program for building rehabilitation. |
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316 |
Petrick |
Responds that a local option tax is being looked at and the possibility of a loan would be important to them. |
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341 |
Sen. Verger |
Restates the importance of having the availability of low interest rate loans. |
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353 |
Sen. George |
Asks about the use of containers on high ground supplied with water and canned goods. |
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374 |
Petrick |
Replies that each community has responded differently. Adds that one concern is about perishable goods. |
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414 |
Sen. George |
Stresses the importance of training for emergencies. |
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TAPE 35, A |
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002 |
Petrick |
Relates the training for children in her district. |
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012 |
Bela |
Submits an information packet consisting of written testimony, maps and flowcharts (EXHIBIT L). Testifies in opposition to Senate Bills SB 2, SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5. |
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049 |
Bela |
Emphasizes the importance of foresight in emergency planning. |
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092 |
Bela |
Points out that statewide building codes are inadequate for earthquake protection. |
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146 |
Bela |
Outlines the lack of attention to earthquake issues. |
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183 |
Sen. George |
Asks where is our preparedness is on a scale of one to ten. |
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192 |
Bela |
Replies that the timeframe is too lengthy. |
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202 |
Chair Shields |
Recesses the meeting at 12:46 p.m. |
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203 |
Chair Shields |
Reconvenes the meeting at 1:07 p.m. |
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235 |
Greg Jeffrey |
Finance Manager, Department of Administrative Services (DAS). Testifies in support of SB 4. |
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280 |
Jeffrey |
Discusses proposed amendments to SB 4. |
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290 |
Cynthia Byrnes |
Department of Justice. Testifies in support of SB 4 and summarizes the proposed changes contained within the amendments. |
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336 |
Brynes |
Summarizes technical changes to how the bonds are issued. |
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377 |
Brynes |
Notes there is language within the Oregon Constitution which would allow a loan program. |
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TAPE 36, A |
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006 |
Laura Lockwood |
State Treasurer’s Office. Testifies in support of SB 4. |
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021 |
Bob Simonton |
Director of Capital Construction, Oregon University System. Testifies in support of SB 4. |
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053 |
Sen. George |
Notes the University System needs to let the legislature know how these pieces of the system fit together. |
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063 |
Simonton |
Responds with an explanation on Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) funding matches. |
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085 |
Vicki McConnell |
State Geologist. Submits written testimony in support of SB 557 (EXHIBIT M). Explains the phenomenon of teletsunamis. |
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100 |
Marshall Coba |
American Council of Engineering Companies of Oregon. Submits written testimony in support of SB 3, SB 4 and SB 5 (EXHIBIT N). |
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135 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the public hearing on SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5 and SB 557 and opens a work session on SB 2. |
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SB 2 – WORK SESSION |
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145 |
Sen. George |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 2-1 amendments dated 3/9/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 2 - B. Starr, Walker |
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Chair Shields |
The motion CARRIES. |
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158 |
Sen. George |
MOTION: Moves SB 2 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 2 - B. Starr, Walker |
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Chair Shields |
The motion CARRIES. |
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163 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the work session on SB 2 and opens a public hearing on SB 79. |
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SB 79 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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165 |
Judith Callens |
Committee Administrator. Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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180 |
Vicki McConnell |
State Geologist. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT Q) and testifies in support of SB 79. |
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213 |
James Bela |
Portland resident. Testifies in opposition to SB 79. Remarks that the surveys in question are rapid visual screenings which are not reliable. |
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255 |
Bela |
Examines new building construction standards on earthquake resistance. |
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310 |
McConnell |
Agrees that these screenings are the first step in an involved process. |
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334 |
Sen. Verger |
Asks Mr. Bela what authority should determine the criteria. |
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336 |
Bela |
Answers a structural engineer; reviews the possible total costs involved. |
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371 |
Sen. Verger |
Comments that structural engineers are not part of the equation and would want structural engineers as part of the process. |
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387 |
Bela |
Notes that recent measures spell that out. |
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394 |
McConnell |
Adds that the state-wide needs assessment is just part of the initial steps. |
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TAPE 35, B |
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006 |
Sen. Verger |
Stresses that the public requires clarity on these issues. |
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011 |
Sen. George |
Asks if the purpose is to perform a pre-qualification. |
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019 |
McConnell |
Answers that is correct and was the intent of the legislation. |
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029 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the public hearing on SB 79 and opens a work session on SB 79. |
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SB 79 – WORK SESSION |
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031 |
Sen. George |
MOTION: Moves SB 79 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
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Chair Shields |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. GEORGE will lead discussion on the floor. |
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092 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the work session on SB 79 and opens a work session on SB 3. |
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SB 3 – WORK SESSION |
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050 |
Sen. George |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 3-1 amendments dated 3/9/05. |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
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Chair Shields |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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054 |
Sen. George |
MOTION: Moves SB 3 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference. |
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058 |
Sen. Verger |
Notes her concern that the Committee on Ways and Means considers loans. |
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084 |
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VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
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Chair Shields |
The motion CARRIES. |
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097 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the work session on SB 3 and opens a public hearing on SB 562. |
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SB 562 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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127 |
Joe Pope |
Association of Washington School Principals. Testifies in support of SB 562. |
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144 |
Jim Finnell |
Chief Executive Officer, Prepared Response. Presents an informational packet containing a White Paper on First Responder Public Building Information System, HB 1218 (State of Washington 2003), correspondence and news articles,(EXHIBIT P). Testifies in support of SB 562. |
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194 |
Finnell |
Summarizes State of Washington programs to map high schools to inform first responders. |
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216 |
Kenneth Murphy |
Oregon Emergency Management. Submits written testimony expressing concerns with the scope of the projects contained within the legislation (EXHIBIT Q). |
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267 |
Pope |
Reviews the costs to local entities. |
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289 |
Chair Shields |
Notes that the League of Oregon Cities does not see a need for the legislation. |
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302 |
Finnell |
Answers that the mapping has been very beneficial in Washington. |
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336 |
Chair Shields |
Notes that Senator Brown has asked the committee to wait on some amendments. |
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340 |
Sen. Walker |
Comments that the intent is good but perhaps the scope of the bill is too large. |
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365 |
Finnell |
Adds that they have had discussions with Oregon First Responders and adds that there would be value in seeing the entire mapping program. |
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370 |
Sen. Kate Brown |
Submits written testimony in support of SB 562 (EXHIBIT R). |
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402 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the public hearing on SB 562 and opens a public hearing on SB 817. |
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SB 817 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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TAPE 36, B |
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003 |
Judith Callens |
Committee Administrator. Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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014 |
Ryan Tribbett |
Legislative Assistant, Senator Rick Metsger. Testifies in support of SB 817. |
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040 |
Kenneth Murphy |
Director, Oregon Emergency Management. Testifies in support of SB 817. |
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082 |
Murphy |
Reviews outdated infrastructures. |
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124 |
Sen. Verger |
Reviews communication issues with past emergencies. Expresses that mishaps would have been prevented if communications were automated. |
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144 |
Murphy |
Explains the emergency communications system. |
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165 |
Sen. George |
Talks about the importance of digital communication. |
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190 |
Murphy |
Agrees and stresses that the ability to communicate is vital. |
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224 |
James Bela |
Portland resident. Testifies in support of SB 817. |
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273 |
Chair Shields |
Closes the public hearing on SB 817 and adjourns the meeting at 2:11 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
5 pp
E. SB 3, written testimony, Vicki S. McConnell, 1 p
F. SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5, written testimony, Yumei Wang, 3 pp
G. SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5, written testimony of Jim Doane and Carol Hasenberg, Yumei Wang, 4 pp
H. SB 2, SB 3, SB 4, SB 5, written testimony, Diane Merten, 2 pp
I. SB 2, SB 3, SB 557, written testimony of Thomas E. Manning, Diane Merten, 1 p
J. SB 557, prepared testimony, Senator Bill Morrisette, 1 p
K. SB 557, prepared testimony, Kenneth D. Murphy, 1 p
L. SB 557, informational materials (2001), James Bela, 25 pp
M. SB 557, written testimony, Vicki S. McConnell, 1 p
N. SB 3, SB 4, SB 5, written testimony, Marshall Coba, 1 p
O. SB 79, prepared testimony, Vicki S. McConnell, 1 p
P. SB 562, first responders information, informational materials, Jim Finnell, 15 pp
Q. SB 562, written testimony, Kenneth D. Murphy, 1 p
R. SB 562, prepared testimony, Senator Kate Brown, 1 p