SENATE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SERVICES
January 20, 2005 Hearing Room D
3:00 PM Tapes 4 - 5
Corrected 10/25/2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Bill Morrisette, Chair
Sen. Rick Metsger
Sen. Laurie Monnes Anderson
MEMBER EXCUSED: Sen. Jeff Kruse, Vice-Chair
Sen. Charles Starr
STAFF PRESENT: Rick Berkobien, Committee Administrator
Brittany Kenison, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD & WITNESSES:
Federally Qualified Health Centers and Other Community Health Centers - Informational Meeting
Craig Hostetler, Executive Director, Oregon Primary Care Association
Doug Riggs, Legislative Affairs Coordinator, Oregon Primary Care Association
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 4, A |
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003 |
Chair Morrisette |
Calls committee meeting to order at 3:05 PM. Opens an informational meeting. |
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FEDERALLY QUALIFIED HEALTH CENTERS, INFORMATIONAL MEETING |
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020 |
Craig Hostetler |
Executive Director, Oregon Primary Care Association (OPCA). Introduces himself and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A). |
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030 |
Hostetler |
Gives background of OPCA. |
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045 |
Hostetler |
Explains characteristics of a Community Health Center (CHC). Adds that CHC also is referred to as Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC). |
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070 |
Hostetler |
Gives overview and statistics of health centers nationally. |
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085 |
Hostetler |
Presents overview and statistics of health centers in Oregon. |
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095 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if OPCA accepts patients who have lost Oregon Health Plan (OHP) coverage. |
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100 |
Hostetler |
Affirms. |
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101 |
Hostetler |
Presents overview of the FQHC budget. |
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120 |
Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Asks if people with commercial insurance are able to get care. |
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125 |
Hostetler |
Answers that it ranges by community. |
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130 |
Hostetler |
Continues discussing FQHC budget. |
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140 |
Chair Morrisette |
Requests examples of private funding. |
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141 |
Hostetler |
Gives examples of operations (short-term), fundraisers, federal foundations and adds other foundations like the Myer Memorial trust, North West health foundation, and the Ford foundation. |
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155 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks which foundations are involved currently and which could be involved and requests lists. |
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165 |
Steve Manela |
Community Health Centers of Lane County. There FQHC has partnerships locally with hospitals, schools, government and foundations. |
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180 |
Chair Morrisette |
Refers information to go to Rick and expresses his interest to get involved. |
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195 |
Hostetler |
Comments on new Director for Development for OPCA and his ideas for funding. |
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205 |
Chair Morrisette |
Would like to get in touch with the new Director. |
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210 |
Hostetler |
Discusses FQHC Encounters. |
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220 |
Hostetler |
Remarks on CHC benefits. Discusses also how the CHC’s are cost effective. |
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255 |
Chair Morrisette |
Wonders what the pharmaceutical savings are. |
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260 |
Hostetler |
Answers that savings are 41 percent. |
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275 |
Chair Morrisette |
Verifies that OPCA is not receiving savings from programs but that they are finding the savings through other methods. |
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278 |
Hostetler |
Affirms |
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285 |
Berkobien |
Asks what are the general cost for pharmacy is under the B43 program. |
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295 |
Hostetler |
Defers to Steve Manela, CareOregon, Inc. |
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300 |
Manela |
Confirms that there is a 40-60% savings for medications. Federal has contract that determines cost on quarterly basis to service FQHC patients. |
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315 |
Berkobien |
Clarifies that the cost under the B43 program is below what Medicaid and the OHP pays. |
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318 |
Manela |
Believes that Medicaid pays wholesale plus 15 percent and the B43 program saves 40-60% off of the wholesale price. |
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322 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks how patients obtain savings. |
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325 |
Manela |
Answers that it varies by center. Adds that it can be an in-house dispensary, or have contracts with a pharmacy. |
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330 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies that a contract can be with an individual pharmacy. |
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335 |
Manela |
Specifies that only one pharmacy contract can be made per center. |
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340 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if patients have to go to pharmacy for that discount. |
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341 |
Manela |
Affirms. Adds that a contract with same pharmacy at multiple locations can be made. |
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345 |
Hostetler |
Points out correlation with health centers and decrease in percentage of emergency room (ER) visits. |
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355 |
Hostetler |
Reviews how CHC’s provide high quality care. Remarks that JCAHO stands for Joint Commission on Accreditation for Health Care Organization. Presents background on this type of certification. |
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385 |
Chair Morrisette |
Requests studies for correlation of Diabetes patients in the ER. |
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390 |
Hostetler |
Offers to return information to the committee. |
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400 |
Hostetler |
Reviews community benefits of health centers. |
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410 |
Hostetler |
Emphasizes need for state and local support. |
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TAPE 5, A |
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003 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks when the last time organization had line items from the state. |
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005 |
Hostetler |
Believes three sessions ago, defers to Joyce Soares, CareOregon, Inc. |
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007 |
Joyce Soares |
CareOregon, Inc. Reports that the last time was in the 2001-2003 biennium. Adds that after the five special sessions (2003-2005), the money was not allocated. |
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010 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks what the percentage of the funds was that the organization was depending on. |
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012 |
Hostetler |
Reports between $12,000 to $14,000. |
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015 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks what changed from when they had enough money to fund the organization. |
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017 |
Soares |
Believes that it started when safety net groups formed and asked for money on behalf of all the safety net clinics. Comments on the amounts the group received. |
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020 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on amount received and the competition involved between the groups. Ask what are the compelling needs of the organization for state funding and if they can get along without state funding. |
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025 |
Hostetler |
Expresses that here have been clinic closures and cut back in services because of the cuts in the OHP. |
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032 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if foundations require state matching funds. |
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033 |
Hostetler |
Affirms. |
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035 |
Soares |
Comments on the safety net clinics’ dependency on OHP. |
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037 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments that if money is put into the OHP, that it would filter down to their organization. |
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040 |
Hostetler |
Continues discussing how state and local support is needed. |
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050 |
Hostetler |
Discusses solutions. |
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060 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on bill to a start tobacco tax. Asks if there is awareness of the bill and if there is a dedication attached to it. |
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065 |
Hostetler |
Notes that not currently, but adds that a group is coming together. |
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075 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on alcohol recovery fee bill and determining allocations of the money. Comments on whether groups are trying to pass the bill. |
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080 |
Doug Riggs |
Oregon Primary Care Association. Comments on trying to get a coalition together to support the purposed bill. |
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085 |
Chair Morrisette |
Notes that he supports the effort from the organization. |
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090 |
Riggs |
Remarks on trying to take advantage of drawing the maximum federal match. |
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095 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies that the money would go into the OPH to get the match and the state would have more money to disperse. |
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100 |
Manela |
Remarks that the way people have been cut from the OHP doesn’t match their health needs and that a partnership with the safety net clinics could be a good alternative. |
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115 |
Hostetler |
Continues discussing and identifying solutions. |
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130 |
Riggs |
Adds that they met with Senator Ben Westland in Prineville a month ago and many members from around the community were on the list of board members. Stresses the importance of community involvement to bring everyone together for the program. |
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140 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on correlation with the Ford Family Foundation and getting people involved. Comments also on attracting new businesses with good medical care. |
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150 |
Berkobien |
Asks if Medicare cost-based reimbursement is true. |
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155 |
Hostetler |
Answers that it is a little less than cost-based. Explains how it changes each year and how it can fluctuate. |
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160 |
Berkobien |
Asks how CHC’s claim money. |
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165 |
Hostetler |
Answers that centers have to be registered by the state as a FQHC. Comments on procedures with different patients. |
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168 |
Berkobien |
Asks how long it takes to receive wrap around payments. |
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170 |
Hostetler |
Explains that it can take nine to twelve months to receive payment and adds that it causes cash flow issues. |
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175 |
Sen. Monnes Anderson |
Asks if all FQHC have electronic billing. |
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180 |
Hostetler |
Answers almost. Adds that they are still working on it. |
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185 |
Sen. Monnes Anderson |
Comments on the difference of receiving payments in six days compared to several weeks or months. |
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190 |
Hostetler |
Comments on the delay and the procedure of sending requests in “batches.” Adds that the organization is working for a timelier solution. |
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200 |
Sen. Monnes Anderson |
Clarifies that there will be no dual eligibility after the new Medicare bill. |
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205 |
Hostetler |
Believes that there still will be some patients that are. |
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207 |
Chair Morrisette |
Confirms that pharmaceuticals will not be dual eligible. |
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209 |
Hostetler |
Affirms. |
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210 |
Berkobien |
Asks what will become of dual eligible centers. |
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215 |
Hostetler |
Alleges that there will be options available to the patients. They have been looking at ways to maximize options. |
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220 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Steve Manela to give specifics on a wrap around payment procedure. |
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225 |
Manela |
Summarizes wrap around payment process. |
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240 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on wrap around procedure and wants to know if wrap around issues have been resolved. |
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245 |
Manela |
Remarks that issues have not been resolved. |
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250 |
Manela |
Continues discussing the wrap around procedure. |
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255 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if they have started process to change this procedure. |
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260 |
Manela |
Notes that negotiations have started. |
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270 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on unacceptability of receiving payment months later |
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275 |
Hostetler |
Summarizes and concludes. |
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280 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if issue with wrap around payment issue is with a certain company. |
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283 |
Manela |
Answers that is an issue through the Office of Medical Assistance Programs (OMAP). |
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284 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if OMAP pays half. |
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285 |
Manela |
Explains billing procedure. |
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295 |
Ruby Haughton |
Director, Legislative and Public Affairs, Care Oregon. Comment that the organization has been seeking prompter payment. Comments on creating a bill and working with everyone involved to address the wrap around payment issue. |
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310 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies that bill would address state portion of funds only. |
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312 |
Haughton |
Remarks that they cannot impact federal monies, however believes that state amount received is larger. |
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325 |
Sen. Monnes Anderson |
Comments on health center she worked for and how it became a FQHC and should encourage more centers to be formed in communities in need. |
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340 |
Hostetler |
Comments on national statistics compared to Oregon. |
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360 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments that communities in Oregon do qualify because of demographics. |
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375 |
Gil Munoz |
Executive Director, Virginia Garcia Memorial Health Center. Reaffirms issue of needing prompter payments, remarks that they have opened new centers and have problems with cash flow. |
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395 |
Chair Monnes Anderson |
Summarizes and concludes. Closes informational meeting. Adjourns meeting at 4:05 PM. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
A. Federally Qualified Health Centers, slide presentation, Craig Hostetler and Doug Riggs, 16 pp