SENATE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SERVICES
April 01, 2005 Sweet Home, Oregon
1:00 P.M. Tapes 51 - 54
Corrected 10/25/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Bill Morrisette, Chair
Sen. Jeff Kruse, Vice-Chair
Sen. Charles Starr
MEMBER EXCUSED: Sen. Laurie Monnes Anderson
Sen. Rick Metsger
STAFF PRESENT: Rick Berkobien, Committee Administrator
Brittany Kenison, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
Long-term Care Issues: Challenges and Trends – Informational Meeting
Oregon Project Independence Modernization Act of 2005 – Informational Meeting
Long-term Care and Access to Prescription Drugs – Public Hearing
SB 870 – Public Hearing
SB 430 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 443 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 605 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 781 – Public Hearing and Work Session
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 51, A |
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003 |
Chair Morrisette |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:03 p.m. Makes opening comments. |
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020 |
Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Introduces himself. Discusses meeting procedures. |
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030 |
Chair Morrisette |
Introduces himself. |
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040 |
Sen. Kruse |
Introduces himself. |
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065 |
Chair Morrisette |
Opens an informational meeting on Long-term Care Issues: Challenges and Trends. |
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LONG-TERM CARE: CHALLENGES AND TRENDS – INFORMATIONAL MEETING |
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080 |
Jim Carlson |
Executive Director, Oregon Health Care Association. Introduces himself. |
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095 |
Chad Martin |
Administrator, Lebanon Rehab. Submits and presents a fact sheet about the Lebanon Rehab center (EXHIBIT A). |
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140 |
Rick Berkobien |
Asks if the center keeps discharge data. |
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143 |
Carlson |
Submits PowerPoint presentation on “Long Term Care Data and Trends” (EXHIBIT B) and refers to page four (4) for data. |
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160 |
Martin |
Elaborates on data. |
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168 |
Martin |
Continues testimony. |
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230 |
Linda Learn |
Administrator, The Oaks Assisted Living Center. Testifies regarding concerns about future of long-term care. Discusses statistics for The Oaks Assisted Living Center. |
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280 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks to clarify that the living center is in Lebanon, Oregon. |
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281 |
Learn |
Affirms. |
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282 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if most of the residents are within the Lebanon/Sweet Home area. |
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282 |
Learn |
Answers, yes. Elaborates. |
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284 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks where the closest assisted living center is outside of Lebanon. |
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290 |
Learn |
Answers, Albany, Oregon. |
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293 |
Chair Morrisette |
Discusses the importance of maintaining local facilities. Asks about the vacancy rate. |
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298 |
Learn |
Answers question. |
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300 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks for vacancy and capital cost projections. |
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314 |
Learn |
Speculates about projections. Explains how capital costs are constant to maintain the facility. |
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325 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks about future vacancy projections. |
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328 |
Learn |
Responds. Adds that there is another facility being built in Lebanon. |
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335 |
Chair Morrisette |
Speaks about the baby boomer population and the need for addressing larger populations of seniors. |
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343 |
Learn |
Remarks about expectations of baby boomers. |
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350 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the California and Florida elderly populations. |
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360 |
Carlson |
Concludes testimony on long term-care issues. |
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375 |
Sen. Kruse |
Asks about the need for a moratorium extension. |
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378 |
Carlson |
Answers question. |
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395 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the grandfathering for an extension of the moratorium. |
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400 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Sen. C. Starr to introduce himself. |
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405 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Introduces himself. |
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450 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the informational meeting on Long-term Care Issues: Challenges and Trends and opens an informational meeting on the Oregon Project Independence Modernization Act of 2005. |
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TAPE 52, A |
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OREGON PROJECT INDEPENDENCE MODERNIZATION ACT OF 2005 – INFORMATIONAL MEETING |
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025 |
Jacqueline Zimmer |
Oregon Association of Area Agencies on Aging and Disability (AAA/D). Submits and presents an information packet about AAA/D (EXHIBIT C). |
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060 |
Ted Stevens |
Director, Senior and Disabled Services, Eugene, Oregon. Provides testimony regarding Oregon Project Independence (OPI). |
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110 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the committee’s support for OPI. |
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115 |
Scott Bond |
Director, Oregon Cascade West Council of Government. Discusses the OPI project. |
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165 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Bond if he spoke with a man earlier who had to leave because he needed to go home to care for his wife. |
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170 |
Bond |
Answers, no. |
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172 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks for Bill Wagner to approach the witness table and explain the issues of the man who cares for his wife. |
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175 |
Bill Wagner |
Executive Director, Cascades West Council of Government. Answers question. |
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208 |
Chair Morrisette |
States that he spoke with the constituent. Raises the issue of the elderly taking care of the elderly. |
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225 |
Wagner |
Clarifies that the man who left does have a case worker. |
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237 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on the cuts in various programs statewide. |
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253 |
Wagner |
Comments on the lack of funding to local government agencies. |
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288 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks what year Lane County, Oregon took over the functions relating to funding. |
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292 |
Wagner |
Responds. |
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295 |
Chair Morrisette |
Discusses state funding. |
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315 |
Zimmer |
Concludes testimony. |
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340 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the informational meeting on Oregon Project Independence Modernization Act of 2005. Opens a public hearing for the public to testify on long-term care and access to prescription drugs. |
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LONG-TERM CARE AND ACCESS TO PRESCRIPTION DRUGS – PUBLIC HEARING |
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383 |
Alecia Juber |
Citizen, McMinnville, Oregon. Submits and presents written testimony regarding long-term care (EXHIBIT D). |
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TAPE 51, B |
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030 |
Juber |
Continues testimony about long-term care. |
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055 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the difficulty of accessing certain resources. |
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065 |
Jacqueline Zimmer |
Oregon Association of Area Agencies on Aging and Disability (AAA/D). Suggests that they speak further regarding Juber’s issue. |
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070 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on Juber’s testimony. |
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090 |
Marvella Gibbs |
Citizen, Sweet Home, Oregon. Testifies regarding concerns of the future for relative foster care. |
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128 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks how many people she is taking care of in her home. |
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130 |
Gibbs |
Answers, two. Adds that she only sees her case worker once a year. |
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140 |
Sunny Swanson |
Citizen, Oregon. Discusses experience as a Certified Nurses Assistant. |
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195 |
Michael Volpe |
Citizen, Corvallis, Oregon. Testifies about his experience with Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and receiving in-home care. |
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250 |
Volpe |
Discusses the type of care that he requires. |
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280 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Volpe to explain his living unit. |
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282 |
Volpe |
Answers that he lives in an apartment. |
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285 |
Chair Morrisette |
Confirms that he has access to and from his apartment. |
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287 |
Volpe |
Affirms. Adds that he depends on a large network of people for daily assistance. |
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300 |
Chair Morrisette |
Confirms that Volpe has no control of his limbs. |
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303 |
Volpe |
Affirms. |
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305 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on Volpe’s positive attitude regarding his MS. |
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325 |
Terry Haydon |
Client Employed Provider, Service Employees Union (SEIU), Local 503. Submits and presents written testimony about healthcare coverage and workman’s compensation for home care workers (EXHIBIT E). |
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410 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks for information about work related injuries for home care workers. Comments on related bills regarding in-home care. |
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460 |
Ken Toombs |
Mayor, Lebanon, Oregon. Testifies about prescription drugs and his personal experience needing them. |
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TAPE 52, B |
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030 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on the pharmaceutical companies offering programs. Asks Toombs if he has been involved with those special programs. |
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038 |
Toombs |
States that he does not qualify. |
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040 |
Sen. Kruse |
Explains that some programs allow up to 300% poverty level. Comments on legislation sponsored by Sen. Alan Bates regarding the medication programs. |
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044 |
Chair Morrisette |
Explains a bill that was passed to purchase bulk medications. States that he is willing to help anyone who needs assistance with medications. |
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085 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the public hearing on long-term care and access to prescription drugs and opens a public hearing on SB 870. |
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SB 870 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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095 |
Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Explains the bill. |
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115 |
Delores Hubert |
Chair, Governor’s Commission on Senior Services. Submits written testimony in support of SB 870 (EXHIBIT F). |
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130 |
Ruth Shepard |
Citizen, Oregon. Testifies in support of SB 870. Discusses Oregon Project Independence (OPI). |
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185 |
Sen. C Starr |
Asks how hospice care relates to OPI. |
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190 |
Sheppard |
Defers to Jacqueline Zimmer. |
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196 |
Jacqueline Zimmer |
Oregon Association of Area Agencies on Aging and Disability (AAA/D). Testifies in support of SB 870. |
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255 |
Ted Stevens |
Director, Senior and Disabled Services, Eugene, Oregon. Answers Sen. C. Starr’s question about hospice. Testifies in support of SB 870. Discusses options for long-term care with OPI. |
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330 |
Zimmer |
Discusses ideas for modernizing OPI, including promoting long-term care insurance. |
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335 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on the cost shift with SB 870. |
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350 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the public hearing on SB 870. Opens a public hearing on SB 430. |
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SB 430 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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369 |
Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Explains the bill and introduces the -3 amendments (EXHIBIT G) and the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT H) to SB 430. |
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375 |
May Dasch |
Alzheimer’s Network of Oregon. Submits and presents written testimony in opposition to SB 430 (EXHIBIT I). |
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425 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on Dasch’s concerns. |
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TAPE 53, A |
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020 |
Grover Simmons |
Independent Adult Foster Home Association. Testifies in support of SB 430 with the -2 amendments and the -3 amendments. |
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055 |
Dasch |
Comments on the concerns between the Alzheimer’s Network and the Independent Adult Foster Association. |
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065 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if members from either of the organizations cross over. |
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068 |
Dasch |
Responds. |
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070 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Grover if members of the Independent Adult Association also belong to the Alzheimer’s Network. |
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072 |
Simmons |
Answers, yes. Discuses how that number has increased. |
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080 |
Sen. Kruse |
Comments on the difference between the -2 and the -3 amendments to SB 430. Asks if the difference is significant between the amendments. |
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082 |
Dasch |
Asks Sen. Kruse to repeat the sections of the bill that the amendments would change. |
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085 |
Sen. Kruse |
Repeats. |
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087 |
Dasch |
States that the amendments are acceptable. |
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090 |
Grover |
Comments on the words being deleted by the -2 amendments. |
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095 |
Sen. Kruse |
Clarifies the difference between the amendments |
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103 |
Mickey Tate |
Adult Foster Home Program Coordinator, Seniors and People With Disabilities, Oregon Department of Human Service (DHS). Testifies in support of SB 430 with the -2 amendments and the -3 amendments. |
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105 |
Chair Morrisette |
States that he wants to address all concerns of the bill. Asks Tate if she heard Dasch’s testimony |
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110 |
Tate |
Responds, yes. |
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118 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks if Dasch’s concerns could be accommodated by administrative rule. |
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120 |
Tate |
Responds. States that the department does not object to adding the requirements to statute. |
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125 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies that Tate is referring to the Alzheimer’s training. |
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127 |
Tate |
States that she does not understand the question. |
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130 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies Dasch’s concerns. Asks Tate to clarify that she believes there should be broader educational requirements. |
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132 |
Tate |
Responds. States concerns of the word “may” in the -3 amendments. |
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135 |
Berkobien |
Re-explains the -2 amendments and the -3 amendments for SB 430. |
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140 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on the -2 and -3 amendments regarding certain language that would be restored. |
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148 |
Dasch |
Refers to section three (3) of the -3 amendments. Explains concern. |
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155 |
Tate |
Explains current requirements. Remarks that the bill is needed. |
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173 |
Dasch |
Addresses concern of caregivers being in charge of facilities without proper training . |
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180 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Dasch for her suggestions to SB 430. |
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182 |
Dasch |
Responds. |
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184 |
Chair Morrisette |
Asks Dasch how she would change the language to address her concerns of the bill. |
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185 |
Dasch |
Answers question. |
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190 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on addressing issues with all parties involved. |
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201 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Comments on the intent of the bill. Asks Grover why the bill should exclude anyone from attending training. |
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210 |
Simmons |
Responds. |
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230 |
Tate |
States agreement with Simmons’ response. Elaborates. |
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260 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Comments on the responsibility of resident managers. States his support of SB 430 with the -2 amendments. |
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276 |
Dasch |
Explains the concerns of families. |
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300 |
Chair Morrisette |
Clarifies Dasch’s comments about substitute care givers. |
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310 |
Tate |
Explains requirements for care givers. |
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330 |
Chair Morrisette |
Close the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 430. |
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SB 430 – WORK SESSION |
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330 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 430-1 amendments dated 3/15/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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338 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves SB 430 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. MORRISETTE will lead discussion on the floor. |
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350 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the work session on SB 430. Opens a public hearing on SB 443. |
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SB 443 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Introduces the -5 amendments to SB 443 (EXHIBIT J). |
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385 |
Sen. Kruse |
Explains the bill. |
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398 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on the intent of SB 443. Seeing no witnesses, closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 443. |
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SB 443 – WORK SESSION |
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410 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 443-5 amendments dated 4/1/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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420 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves SB 443 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. KRUSE will lead discussion on the floor. |
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TAPE 54, A |
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020 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the work session on SB 443 and opens a public hearing on SB 605. |
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SB 605 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Introduces the -3 amendments to SB 605 (EXHIBIT K). |
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025 |
Chair Morrisette |
Seeing no witnesses, closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 605. |
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SB 605 – WORK SESSION |
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030 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 605-3 amendments dated 3/30/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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040 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves SB 605 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. BATES will lead discussion on the floor. |
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050 |
Chair Morrisette |
Explains the process of the Ways and Means committee to the audience. |
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060 |
Sen. Kruse |
Explains how bills can have a referral to the Ways and Means committee, but with amendments can have no fiscal impact. |
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061 |
Chair Morrisette |
Comments on other circumstances. Closes the work session on SB 605 and opens a public hearing SB 781. |
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SB 781 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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070 |
Rick Berkobien |
Committee Administrator. Explains the bill and introduces the -1 amendments to SB 781 (EXHIBIT L). |
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075 |
Chair Morrisette |
Seeing no witnesses, closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 781. |
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SB 781 – WORK SESSION |
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080 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 781-1 amendments dated 3/30/05. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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090 |
Sen. Kruse |
MOTION: Moves SB 781 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Metsger, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Morrisette |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. MORRISETTE will lead discussion on the floor. |
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100 |
Chair Morrisette |
Closes the work session on SB 781. Adjourns the meeting at 3:37 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
A. Long-term Care Issues, fact sheet, Chad Martin, 1 p
B. Long-term Care Issues, PowerPoint presentation, James Carlson, 11 pp
C. Oregon Project Independence Modernization Act of 2005, informational packet, Jacqueline Zimmer, 23 pp
D. Long-term care and Access to Prescription Drugs, written testimony, Alicia Juber, 4 pp
E. Long-term care and Access to Prescription Drugs, written testimony, Terry Haydon, 2 pp
F. SB 870, written testimony, Dolores Hubert, 2 pp
G. SB 430, -3 amendments, staff, 1 p
H. SB 430, -2 amendments, staff, 1 p
I. SB 430, written testimony, May Dasch, 1 p
J. SB 443, -5 amendments, staff, 2 pp
K. SB 605, -3 amendments, staff, 1 p
L. SB 781, -1 amendments, staff, 1 p