SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
February 22, 2005 Hearing Room 343
1:00 P.M. Tapes 42 - 43
Corrected 10/26/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Ginny Burdick, Chair
Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair
Sen. Roger Beyer
Sen. Floyd Prozanski
Sen. Charlie Ringo
Sen. Vicki Walker
Sen. Doug Whitsett
STAFF PRESENT: William E. Taylor, Counsel
Dale Penn, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 235 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 236 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 237 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 238 – Public Hearing
SB 239 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 42, A |
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004 |
Chair Burdick |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:13 p.m. and opens a public hearing on SB 235. |
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SB 235 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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006 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 235 relating to places of public accommodation. Introduces the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT A). |
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022 |
Wendy Johnson |
Deputy Director, Oregon Law Commission. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 235 (EXHIBITS B – D). Details the Oregon Law Commission’s relationship with the Legislature. |
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078 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks for the definition of “place of public accommodation.” |
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081 |
Johnson |
States that Exhibit D defines the term. |
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091 |
Chair Burdick |
Inquires if a “place of public accommodation” would include housing units. |
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096 |
Johnson |
Replies that those terms may be under a different section, and she doesn’t believe this bill covers them. |
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098 |
Taylor |
Reads the definition on page 2 of SB 235. |
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109 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Questions if there is any exclusion for small business. |
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117 |
Johnson |
Answers yes. |
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126 |
Denise M. Spielman |
Commissioner, Oregon Disabilities Commission (ODC). Stresses that she does not represent her employer and she is on personal time. Reads testimony in support of SB 235 (EXHIBIT E). Answers earlier questions about the bill and the American Disabilities Act (ADA). |
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164 |
Spielman |
States that the ODC provides training for businesses in response to their responsibilities and rights under the ADA. |
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179 |
Chair Burdick |
Comments on the difficulties dealing with conflicts between the federal and state laws. |
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184 |
Sen. Beyer |
Brings up the issue of the -2 amendment concerning federal and state law. |
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207 |
Kevin O’Reilly |
Submits written testimony of Jerry Ryan and testifies in support of SB 235 (EXHIBIT F). |
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262 |
Bob Joondeph |
Director, Oregon Advocacy Center. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 235 (EXHIBIT G). Mentions federal court decisions relating to the removal of barriers for disabled individuals. |
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315 |
Joondeph |
Describes the necessary requirements for true equality of service. Points out that, within reason, a business must think about methods of assisting those individuals with disabilities. |
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338 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI). Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 235 (EXHIBIT H). |
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360 |
Ohlemiller |
Continues reading testimony (Exhibit H). |
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422 |
Ohlemiller |
Continues reading testimony (Exhibit H). |
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465 |
Ohlemiller |
Continues reading testimony (Exhibit H). |
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TAPE 43, A |
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055 |
Sen. Walker |
Addresses the issue of federal and state laws conflicting. |
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069 |
Sen. Beyer |
Points out the confusion inherent in administrative rules dictating laws, as they can be changed continuously without a local business being aware. |
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097 |
Johnson |
Affirms that federal and state laws change all the time as well. States that SB 235 is meant to direct businesses to the ADA as a template to follow. |
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109 |
Chair Burdick |
Inquires as to where businesses would look to find changes in the administrative rules. |
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111 |
Ohlemiller |
Responds with information on where to find this data. Talks about a BOLI hotline that answers questions concerning administrative rules. |
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132 |
Chair Burdick |
Wonders if this is just another step for businesses to follow. |
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136 |
Ohlemiller |
Responds yes, but BOLI would be easily available for businesses to contact. |
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145 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks if their administrative rules are beyond statutory authority. |
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150 |
Ohlemiller |
Affirms that she believes they are within statutory authority. |
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160 |
Sen. Beyer |
Expresses his confusion with conflicting testimony (Exhibit H). |
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166 |
Ohlemiller |
Replies with information on federal and state differences on statutory authority. |
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179 |
Sen. Beyer |
Raises the issue of conflicting rules on the state and federal level. |
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187 |
Taylor |
Asks for clarification on this issue. |
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191 |
Ohlemiller |
Responds with information on state and federal law. |
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205 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Inquires as to the access to state courts. |
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211 |
Johnson |
Discusses the statutes relationship with the courts. |
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220 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks why this has never been brought into state court. |
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225 |
Ohlemiller |
Replies that they don’t exactly know. Cites information on court cases. |
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247 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Inquires as to the ease of accessing state courts. |
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248 |
Johnson |
Responds that the bill is meant to ease access to state courts. |
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252 |
Chair Burdick |
Submits written testimony from Danielle Knight and Eugene Organ (EXHIBIT I & J). |
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253 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 235 and opens a public hearing on SB 236. |
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SB 236 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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255 |
Chair Burdick |
Describes SB 236 relating to statute of limitations period for filing claims of unlawful discrimination in places of public accommodations. |
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273 |
Wendy Johnson |
Deputy Director, Oregon Law Commission. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 236 (EXHIBIT K). |
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298 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. Submits testimony on SB 236 (EXHIBIT R). |
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301 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes public hearing on SB 236 and opens a public hearing on SB 237. |
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SB 237 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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309 |
Wendy Johnson |
Deputy Director, Oregon Law Commission (OLC). Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 237 (EXHIBIT L). |
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332 |
Sen. Beyer |
Inquires if this is the same bill as that currently in the Commerce Committee. |
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345 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. Submits testimony on SB 237 (EXHIBIT S). Responds with information on both bills. |
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358 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Clarifies the differences between the two bills. |
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391 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks if the same effect will result with the passage of these bills. |
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402 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Explains the differences between the effects of the two bills. |
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426 |
Johnson |
Details why the OLC has sponsored this bill. |
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446 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 237 and opens a public hearing on SB 238. |
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SB 238 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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476 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 238 relating to rights of firefighters, tobacco users and members of the Legislative Assembly. Introduces the -1 amendment (EXHIBIT M). |
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494 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. Submits testimony on SB 238 (EXHIBIT T). |
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495 |
Wendy Johnson |
Deputy Director, Oregon Law Commission. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 238 (EXHIBITS N & O). |
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TAPE 42, B |
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040 |
Johnson |
Goes over the different sections of Exhibit N. |
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064 |
Johnson |
Discusses the -1 amendment (Exhibit M). |
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081 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks for a listing of changes. |
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086 |
Johnson |
Goes over the rights due to the different classes of individuals (firefighters, smokers, and Legislators). |
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130 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks about the rights of elected officials. |
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133 |
Johnson |
Gives information as to the rights of officials. |
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140 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 238 and opens a public hearing on SB 239. |
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SB 239 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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142 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 239 relating to the list of protected classes in civil rights law. |
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150 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries. Submits testimony on SB 239 (EXHIBIT U). |
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151 |
Wendy Johnson |
Oregon Law Commission (OLC). Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 239 (EXHIBIT P). |
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178 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks for a list of changes or alterations in SB 239. |
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165 |
Johnson |
Replies with information on the new classifications. |
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195 |
Sen. Beyer |
Desires a listing of added or changed wording. |
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201 |
Taylor |
Discusses and cites examples of the confusion on the wording of the bill and the lack of consistency. |
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233 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 239. |
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244 |
Chair Burdick |
Opens a work session on SB 235. |
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SB 235 – WORK SESSION |
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247 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 235 relating to places of public accommodation. |
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258 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 235-2 amendment dated 2/22/05. |
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263 |
Sen. Beyer |
States opposition to the amendment, and dictates his reasoning. |
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278 |
Sen. Starr |
Talks about his confusion on the -2 amendment providing the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries with the authority they already have been exercising in regards to federal statute. |
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301 |
Taylor |
Explains the references to federal law in relation to this bill. |
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318 |
Marcia Ohlemiller |
Legal Policy Advisor, Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI). Talks about the language that Legislative Counsel has used, as well as the differences between state and federal law. |
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346 |
Taylor |
Inquires about the changing of state regulations due to federal standards. |
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352 |
Ohlemiller |
Responds with information on the policy for rule alteration. |
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370 |
Sen. Starr |
Raises the concern of disability accommodations. |
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377 |
Chair Burdick |
Offers clarification on the issue of federal rule making and enforcement. |
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408 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks if BOLI has been promulgating administrative rules in conformance to federal law absent this legislation. |
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414 |
Ohlemiller |
Offers information as to BOLI’s administrative rules. |
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466 |
Chair Burdick |
Clarifies BOLI’s policy and administrative rule process. |
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486 |
Sen. Starr |
Declares his support for the -2 amendments. |
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492 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Expresses his reluctance in leaving the rule making process up to the different agencies as opposed to having the Legislature dictate the methods through statutes. |
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515 |
Sen. Walker |
Gives information as to her stand on the issue. |
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TAPE 43, B |
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040 |
Sen. Beyer |
Asks about the differences between the federal and state laws. |
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044 |
Ohlemiller |
Responds with information on the differences. |
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054 |
Sen. Beyer |
Inquires as to the differences after the passage of SB 235 with or without the -2 amendment. |
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059 |
Ohlemiller |
Replies that the effects would be exactly the same. |
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066 |
Sen. Beyer |
Wonders about the effects of not adopting the -2 amendment. States that SB 235 is a good bill, but is reluctant to pass such a bill with the -2 amendment. |
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088 |
Chair Burdick |
Addresses the federal and state law differences, and how SB 235 with the -2 amendments can resolve the issues. |
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112 |
Sen. Walker |
Brings up the issue of the emergency clause. |
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117 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Offers clarification on the conflict between federal and state law. Points out that the adoption of the -2 amendment is a clean up process for the bill. |
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146 |
Chair Burdick |
Cites an example of the differences between state and federal law. Calls for a roll vote on SB 235. |
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178 |
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VOTE: 4-2-1 AYE: 4 - Prozanski, Starr C., Walker, Burdick NAY: 2 - Beyer, Whitsett EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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180 |
Chair Burdick |
The motion CARRIES. |
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181 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 235A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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187 |
Sen. Beyer |
Declares his hesitance to support this bill due to the -2 amendment. |
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213 |
Chair Burdick |
Calls for a roll vote on SB 235A. |
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VOTE: 4-2-1 AYE: 4 - Prozanski, Starr C., Walker, Burdick NAY: 2 - Beyer, Whitsett EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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218 |
Chair Burdick |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. WALKER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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222 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 235 and opens a work session on SB 236. |
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SB 236 – WORK SESSION |
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229 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 236 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE: 6-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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232 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. WALKER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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234 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 236 and opens a work session on SB 237. |
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SB 237 – WORK SESSION |
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237 |
William E. Taylor. |
Counsel. Introduces the -2 amendment (EXHIBIT Q). |
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143 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 237-2 amendments dated 2/21/05. |
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VOTE: 6-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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247 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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250 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 237A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 6-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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254 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. WALKER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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262 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 237 and adjourns the meeting at 2:50 p.m. |
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EXHIBIT SUMMARY