SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
March 21, 2005 Hearing Room 343
1:00 P.M. Tapes 74 - 76
Corrected 10/26/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Ginny Burdick, Chair
Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair
Sen. Roger Beyer
Sen. Floyd Prozanski
Sen. Charlie Ringo
Sen. Vicki Walker
Sen. Doug Whitsett
STAFF PRESENT: William E. Taylor, Counsel
Dale Penn, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 63 – Work Session
SB 287 – Work Session
SB 331 – Work Session
SB 330 – Work Session
SB 946 – Public Hearing
SB 567 – Public Hearing
SB 549 – Public Hearing
SB 599 – Public Hearing
SB 645 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 74, A |
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003 |
Chair Burdick |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:12 p.m. and opens a work session on SB 63. |
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SB 63 – WORK SESSION |
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008 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 63 relating to the Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (DPSST) denying an application for training for a public safety officer. Introduces the -2 amendment and submits written testimony from DPSST director John Minnis (EXHIBITS A & B). |
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030 |
Sen. Beyer |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 63-2 amendments dated 3/17/05. |
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VOTE: 5-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Prozanski, Ringo |
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032 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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035 |
Sen. Beyer |
MOTION: Moves SB 63 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 5-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Prozanski, Ringo |
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037 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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044 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 63 and opens a work session on SB 287. |
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SB 287 – WORK SESSION |
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045 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 287 relating to an exception to the prohibition on use of hearsay as evidence. Introduces the -2 amendment (EXHIBIT C). |
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067 |
Tom Lininger |
Law Professor, University of Oregon. Testifies in support of SB 287 and discusses the use of hearsay in trials. |
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112 |
Tim Sylwester |
Department of Justice. Comments on the reasoning behind the -2 amendment. |
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141 |
Sylwester |
Details the problems in homicide cases with using hearsay as evidence. |
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165 |
Sylwester |
Addresses the impact of the -2 amendment on the effects of the bill. |
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195 |
Sen. Ringo |
Wonders about the wording of the bill in relation to the term “cause”. |
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203 |
Sylwester |
Discusses the reasoning behind the drafting language. |
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211 |
Lininger |
Talks about the conduct relating to the process of preventing a witness from testifying. |
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234 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks if there is a definition of “wrongful” in the -2 amendment. |
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238 |
Sylwester |
Expresses his opinion on the definition of “wrongful” as relating to SB 287 and the -2 amendment. Shares a possible scenario that will hopefully clarify the bill. |
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267 |
Sen. Ringo |
Hesitates to support the term “wrongful” in this bill. |
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272 |
Sylwester |
Cites specific examples of why the term is needed. |
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283 |
Chair Burdick |
Stresses that the term “wrongful” might not be the correct word for the bill. |
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285 |
Taylor |
Talks about the case, Reynolds vs. The United States, in relation to this issue. |
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306 |
Chair Burdick |
Discusses her problems with the -2 amendment. |
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320 |
Lininger |
Addresses the problems over the -2 amendment and why it is needed. |
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359 |
Sylwester |
Details the need for the -2 amendments by discussing child abuse cases. |
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375 |
Kelly Skye |
Oregon Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. Testifies in support of SB 287 without the -2 amendment. |
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435 |
Skye |
States the concerns of the OCDLA relating to the issues of hearsay and this bill. |
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474 |
Skye |
Discusses wrongful conduct in keeping a witness from testifying. |
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TAPE 75, A |
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041 |
Peter Gartlan |
Chief Defender, Office of Public Defense Services. Submits testimony and testifies in opposition to the -2 amendment for SB 287 (EXHIBIT D). Stresses the need for adopting the federal rules as opposed to passing the -2 amendment. |
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075 |
Sybil Hebb |
Oregon Law Center. Testifies in support of SB 287 and the -2 amendment. |
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084 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks if there would be any problems with the -2 amendment not being adopted. |
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088 |
Sylwester |
Talks about how the -2 amendment addresses certain discrepancies in Oregon law relating to the forfeiture by wrongdoing principle. Addresses the problems with the -2 amendment. |
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130 |
Chair Burdick |
Wonders if a challenge would be less likely under the original bill as opposed to the bill with the -2 amendment. |
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133 |
Sylwester |
Responds yes, and discusses the issue of federal versus state rules. |
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140 |
Chair Burdick |
Ask about the constitutionality of the -2 amendment compared to the original bill. |
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144 |
Sylwester |
Stresses the possibility of the US Supreme Court interpreting federal cases and impacting the ability of this bill (which uses the federal rules as a template) to function. |
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185 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Inquires about the comparison between the -2 amendment and the original bill. |
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200 |
Sylwester |
Talks about the drafting choices in the original bill, and the concerns the Department of Justice has with not adopting the -2 amendment. |
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265 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Comments on the federal language already dealing with many of the situations addressed. |
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278 |
Lininger |
Talks about what the -2 amendment will offer to the original SB 287 and goes on to discuss the federal court proceedings in relation to the bill. |
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323 |
Chair Burdick |
Inquires about the broadening of the language in the -2 amendment. |
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332 |
Sylwester |
Replies with information on the drafting language in the -2 amendment. |
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354 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Discusses the burden of proving the wrongdoing in relation to keeping a witness from trial. |
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371 |
Sylwester |
Details the process of proving criminal conduct in making a witness unavailable for testifying. |
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428 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks for a work group to address the concerns over the -2 amendment and return with tighter language. |
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443 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Wonders about certain drafting choices possible to fix the issues with the -2 amendment. |
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480 |
Taylor |
Talks about the work group for SB 287. |
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TAPE 74, B |
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033 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 287 and opens a work session on SB 331. |
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SB 331 – WORK SESSION |
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037 |
Chair Burdick |
Carries over to Tuesday, March 22, 2005. |
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041 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 331 and opens a work session on SB 330. |
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SB 330 – WORK SESSION |
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043 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 330 relating to stenographic reporters in the courtroom. Introduces the -2 amendment (EXHIBIT E). |
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051 |
Lara Smith |
Oregon Court Reporters Association. Testifies in support of SB 330 and the -2 amendment. |
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060 |
Scott Crampton |
Director, Appellate Court Services, Oregon Judicial Department. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 330 and the -2 amendment (EXHIBIT I). |
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068 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks about court reporters placing a specific cap per page. |
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071 |
Smith |
States that a cap is already in place. |
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076 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 330-2 amendments dated 3/17/05. |
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VOTE: 5-0-2 EXCUSED: 2 - Ringo, Walker |
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080 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. |
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080 |
Sen. Starr |
MOTION: Moves SB 330 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 6-0-1 EXCUSED: 1 - Ringo |
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082 |
Chair Burdick |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. SEN. WALKER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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081 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 330 and opens a work session on SB 331. |
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SB 331 – WORK SESSION |
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086 |
Sen. Walker |
Cites a possible conflict of interest. |
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093 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 331 and opens a public hearing on SB 946. |
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SB 946 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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104 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 946 relating to requiring the judge to order report of proceedings in aggravated murder and murder trials. Introduces the -1 amendment (EXHIBIT F). |
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119 |
Mary Fagan |
Oregon Court Reporters Association. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 946 (EXHIBIT G). |
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160 |
Fagan |
Details the benefits of having a trained court reporter. |
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179 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks about how court reporters deal with equipment malfunctions. |
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183 |
Fagan |
Explains the methods used by the court reporters to capture all audio material. |
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201 |
Sen. Walker |
Describes the abilities and provisions of the stenographic reporters. |
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226 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks about the funding problems facing the courts. |
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231 |
Lara Smith |
Oregon Court Reporters Association. Addresses some possible amendments dealing with the problem of funding. |
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241 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Inquires if courts already employing a reporter would not continue to employ their services if the costs increased. |
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249 |
Smith |
Replies that the question is best asked to the presiding judges who make those decisions. |
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262 |
Paul Snider |
Association of Oregon Counties. Testifies in opposition to SB 946. Stresses the problems with SB 946 from a fiscal standpoint. Emphasizes the financial problems currently facing counties, and the increased costs that would be forced upon them if this bill passes. |
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316 |
Chair Burdick |
Asks about the fiscal impact. |
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318 |
Snider |
States that he got the fiscal impact from the Judicial Department. |
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305 |
Monica Melhourn |
Office of the State Court Administrator. Stresses that the information cited earlier is not a fiscal impact; instead it was her independent research. |
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363 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Wonders who paid for the court reporting services in the past. |
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396 |
Scott Crampton |
Oregon Judicial Department. Testifies in opposition to SB 946. Offers reasoning behind his hesitance to support the bill. Brings up several issues that are not addressed in SB 946. Talks about the responsibilities of funding this bill in the past and the future. |
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459 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Stresses his opposition to the -1 amendment. |
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501 |
Taylor |
Explains the effects of the bill. |
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TAPE 75, B |
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036 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Asks about the funding for the bill. |
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038 |
Taylor |
Cites information on who would be responsible for the funding. |
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043 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Inquires about the costs to the defendants in a court system that requires a stenographer. |
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058 |
Chair Burdick |
Stresses her opposition to the amendment, and desires a work group to discuss the issues. |
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068 |
Sen. Walker |
States that the cases that fall under the bill are critical and require solid court reporting. |
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081 |
Chair Burdick |
Details that the Judiciary committee makes policy decisions and Ways and Means will deal with the funding issues. |
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103 |
Taylor |
Discusses the -1 amendment. Offers drafting language choices to alleviate hesitations among the members. |
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135 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Talks about the changes in the -1 amendment. |
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141 |
Sen. Walker |
Stresses the importance of some of the changes in the -1 amendment. |
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155 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the work session on SB 946 and opens a public hearing on SB 567. |
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SB 567 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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160 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 567 relating to creating an offense for the failure to properly secure a child. |
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168 |
Sen. Prozanski |
States his support of SB 567 and describes the reasoning behind the bill. |
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183 |
Daniel Swift |
Oregon State Police. Submits testimony and testifies in support of SB 567 (EXHIBIT H). |
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225 |
Swift |
Cites stories involving parents who do not properly restrain their child. |
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244 |
Joanne Fairchild |
Trauma Nurse Coordinator, Legacy Emanuel Hospital. Submits a written testimony packet and testifies in support of SB 567 (EXHIBIT J). |
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285 |
Fairchild |
Addresses the benefits of using child restraints. |
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330 |
Fairchild |
Talks about an article, “The Forgotten Child,” in her testimony (Exhibit J). |
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379 |
Chair Burdick |
Introduces written testimony from Troy Costales supporting SB 567 (EXHIBIT K). Closes the public hearing on SB 567 and opens a public hearing on SB 549. |
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SB 549 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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393 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 549 and opens a public hearing on SB 599. |
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SB 599 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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498 |
Chair Burdick |
Puts on hold until Tuesday, March 22, 2005. Closes the public hearing on SB 599 and opens a public hearing on SB 549. |
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SB 549 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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404 |
William E. Taylor |
Counsel. Describes SB 549 relating to requiring hosting organizations to register with the Department of Education. Introduces written testimony from John O. Hishmeh (EXHIBIT N). |
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418 |
Carlos Cartlidge |
Lane County. Submits research information and testifies in support of SB 549 (EXHIBIT L). |
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TAPE 76, A |
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035 |
Cartlidge |
Addresses the study he presented as testimony (Exhibit L). |
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057 |
Bonnie Chalmers |
Lane County. Submits informational packet on host programs and testifies in support of SB 549 (EXHIBIT M). |
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078 |
Chair Burdick |
Closes the public hearing on SB 549 and opens a public hearing on SB 645. |
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SB 645 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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081 |
Chair Burdick |
Moves SB 645 to March 22, 2005. Closes the public hearing on SB 645 and adjourns the meeting at 3:08 p.m. |
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EXHIBIT SUMMARY