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PUBLIC HEARING, WORK SESSION SB 341 PUBLIC HEARING SB 283 |
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TAPES 32, 33 A |
FEBRUARY 10, 2005 8:30 AM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING
Members Present: Senator Ryan Deckert, Chair
Senator Gary George
Senator Rick Metsger
Senator Floyd Prozanski
Senator Charles Starr
Witness Present: Michelle Deister, League of Oregon Cities
Dee Wescott, Mayor, Damascus
John Hartsock, Mayor Pro Tem, Damascus
Rep. Linda Flores, District 51
Randy Tucker, Metro
William Manne, Oregon State Bar Taxation Section
Jerry Hanson, Washington County Assessor
Staff Present: Paul Warner, Legislative Revenue Officer
Mary Ayala, Economist
Barbara Guardino, Committee Assistant
TAPE 32, SIDE A
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Chair Deckert |
Calls meeting to order at 8:34 a.m. Opens public hearing on SB 341. Pertaining to newly incorporated city of Damascus.
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PUBLIC HEARING, SB 341 |
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Mary Ayala |
Gives overview of SB 341. See Staff Measure Summary (EXHIBIT 1). Enables a city located in an urban growth boundary that was incorporated after 1990 to issue an 18 month obligation in anticipation of tax revenues or other income prior to the beginning of the fiscal year in which the city expects to receive these revenues. Gives background. City has no funding.
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Michelle Deister |
Introduces mayor and mayor pro tem of city of Damascus. Points out, bill has an emergency clause.
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Dee Wescott |
Gives background on recent Damascus incorporation.
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John Hartsock |
Testifies in favor of SB 341. See written testimony (EXHIBIT 2) paraphrased. City has no money to operate.
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Hartsock |
SB 341 modifies ORS 288.165 to provide Damascus the ability to operate over the next 6 months. Urges committee to move bill as an emergency measure.
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Chair Deckert |
Comments, bill is needed but has one concern: would bill make it easier for several new small cities to sprout up? There is legislation in the House to allow this in the Portland metro region.
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Hartsock |
Has not read House bill and is not aware of which parts of statutes are being changed to allow this. Damascus is limited by 3-mile veto, meaning any adjacent city within 3 miles can say no. Believes protections are there.
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Rep. Flores |
Introduces Randy Tucker.
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Randy Tucker |
Scenario Deckert describes is currently not possible without consent of Portland, Beaverton, Hillsboro, etc. ORS 221.010 and 221.031 contain those prohibitions.
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Chair Deckert |
Expresses concern current law might be changed.
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Rep. Flores |
Acknowledges Chair Deckert’s concerns. Urges support for SB 341. |
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WORK SESSION, SB 341
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Vice Chair C. Starr |
MOTION: MOVES SB 341 TO THE SENATE FLOOR WITH A DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.
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Chair Deckert |
ASKS FOR ANY OBJECTION TO MOTION. THERE BEING NO OBJECTION THE CHAIR SO ORDERS. VOTE: 5-0-0 MEMBERS VOTING AYE: GEORGE, METSGER, PROZANSKI, VICE CHAIR C. STARR, CHAIR DECKERT |
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PUBLIC HEARING, SB 283
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Mary Ayala |
Gives overview of SB 283 (EXHIBITS 3, 4, 5). Enables a limited liability company to qualify for property tax exemption or special assessment if the LLC is wholly owned by one or more nonprofit corporations.
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William Manne |
Testifies in favor of SB 283. See written testimony, paraphrased (EXHIBIT 6). ORS 307 grants property tax exemption to real property held and used by qualifying nonprofit corporations.
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Manne |
Explains, ORS 307 was formulated long before limited liability statutes existed. Corporations can form nonprofit subsidiaries and qualify but they can’t form an LLC and qualify for tax exemption. Bill gives them another choice. Believes bill is revenue neutral.
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Ayala |
Is still researching whether bill is revenue neutral.
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TAPE 33, SIDE A
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Manne |
In Oregon a nonprofit cannot be designated as an LLC. Federal law is also grappling with LLCs. State follows federal law for income tax purposes. Bill’s intention is to give charitable entities the opportunity to use this form since it is a better form.
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Chair Deckert |
Asks how sophisticated a nonprofit has to be in order to use this form. |
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Manne |
Responds, they are usually larger, sophisticated charities. It’s the purpose for which the property is used that distinguishes whether it qualifies for an exemption. It only qualifies if it’s being used for charitable purposes.
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Chair Deckert |
Asks for an example of a charity that qualified for an LLC.
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Manne |
Gives an example of a nonprofit thrift store.
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Chair Deckert |
A good policy question for the committee is whether a nonprofit should act like a business.
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Manne |
By recognizing there’s no policy purpose served by preventing a charity from acting like a business, there’s no reason to prevent a charity from availing itself of LLC form. The statutes simply don’t refer to LLC.
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Vice Chair Starr |
Notes a conflict of interest since he is involved in a nonprofit organization (a Christian school) that rents facilities. Bill would affect his enterprise, although he favors its passage.
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Sen. Prozanski |
Summarizes, a nonprofit can currently create another nonprofit entity. This takes away an extra step.
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Jerry Hanson |
Discloses he is a board member on two nonprofits. Testifies, this change might be considered a change in ownership. If a nonprofit creates a new LLC it should be aware it needs to file an application with the county assessor. Otherwise entities could jeopardize their exemptions.
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Chair Deckert |
Closes public hearing on SB 283. Adjourns meeting at 9:18 a.m. |
Tape Log Submitted by,
Barbara Guardino, Committee Assistant
Exhibit Summary:
1. SB 341, Staff Measure Summary, Ayala, 1 pp.
2. SB 341, Testimony of John Hartsock, Damascus City Council, Hartsock, 2 pp.
3. SB 283, Preliminary Revenue Impact of Proposed Legislation, Ayala, 1 pp.
4. SB 283, Staff Measure Summary, Ayala, 1 pp.
5. SB 283, Legislative Fiscal Office, No Expenditure Impact Statement, Ayala, 1 pp.
6. SB 283, Legislative Testimony Before Senate Revenue Committee, Manne, 1 pp.