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PUBLIC HEARING & WORK SESSION SB 1083, HB 2542-A PUBLIC HEARING HB 3481-B |
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TAPES 158 A, 159 A |
JULY 7, 2005 9:00 AM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING
Members Present: Senator Ryan Deckert, Chair
Senator Gary George
Senator Rick Metsger
Senator Floyd Prozanski
Senator Charles Starr, Vice Chair
Witnesses Present: Tim Nesbitt, Oregon AFL-CIO
Don Schellenberg, Oregon Farm Bureau
Scott Ashcom, Oregon Agriculture Alliance
Tamara Brickman, Oregon Employment Department
Dexter Johnson, Legislative Council Office
Matt Blevins, Oregon Environmental Council
Staff Present: Paul Warner, Legislative Revenue Officer
LizBeth Martin-Mahar, Economist
Linda K. Gatto, Committee Assistant
TAPE 158 SIDE A
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005 |
Chair Deckert |
Calls the meeting to order at 9:10 a.m. Announces that HB 3232 will not be heard today. Opens the public hearing on SB 1083.
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SB 1083 – Public Hearing |
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Chair Deckert |
Seeing and hearing no one to testify on SB 1083 closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 1083. |
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SB 1083 – Work Session |
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Paul Warner |
Legislative Revenue Officer. Explains the revenue implications of the -3 amendments (EXHIBIT 1). Reviews the chart showing the revenue impact of the credit against minimum wage increases (EXHIBIT 2). |
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054 |
Sen. Metsger |
Asks if the -3 amendments address concerns raised yesterday about encompassing broader activities outside agriculture. Asks about the marketable credit. |
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Warner |
Answers marketable credit is targeted to those at minimum wage and includes the group of agriculture industries included in the original SB 1083. States that the marketable credits are for those firms that have a net income. |
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Warner |
Adds that marketable credits sell for 80 to 90 cents on the dollar. |
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104 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Discusses the growth of employees earning minimum wage in agriculture and the increased use of mechanized harvesting. Asks where is the job growth in agriculture. |
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Warner |
Explains that this estimate is not scientifically derived. The Economic and Revenue forecast is based on the non-farm payroll employment survey. Explains that his estimate (EXHIBIT 2) is based on 1% growth a year which implies shrinkage relative to influences in the economy.
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138 |
Sen. C. Starr |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 1083-3 amendments dated 7/6/05. |
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140 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Refers to testimony yesterday regarding the broadness of the application of the credit; that it was his impression it was being narrowed. |
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154 |
Tim Nesbitt |
President, AFL-CIO Oregon. Senses a common purpose to subsidize certain employers to support and keep jobs. |
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184 |
Sen. George |
Recalls that initially he thought it would be possible to provide health care for some of those workers. States that agriculturist cannot transfer additional costs to the consumer. |
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195 |
Nesbitt |
Agrees that it could be proposed that the subsidy be limited to the jobs that provide health care. |
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201 |
Sen. Metsger |
Reads the list of agricultural industries that are included. Supports narrowing the definition to the first paragraph. |
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234 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Agrees to a degree; notes there are family farmers trying to make a living from the land. |
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262 |
Don Schellenberg |
Oregon Farm Bureau. Expresses that the entire agricultural industry is being hurt by an increased wage base. States that Idaho uses 700 H2A workers out of 33,000 to 35,000 peak employment and all are used as sheep herders or irrigators not in crop production and mostly at $5.15 minimum wage. |
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334 |
Schellenberg |
Comments on the credits and states support for the -3 amendments. |
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341 |
Scott Ashcom |
Oregon Agriculture Alliance. States the purpose of SB 1083 is to stop attrition and migration of jobs out of state. |
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Ashcom |
Adds that the Oregon Department of Agriculture determined last year that there was a loss of jobs and attributed that loss to the increase in minimum wage. |
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Chair Deckert |
States some are globally competitive and there is no margin to pass on costs. States there are areas where the environments are competitive but not globally competitive such as honey bees. |
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424 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Comments on the importance of honey bees to the agricultural industry in Oregon. Notes that farmers pay to have these bees and it is a competitive market. |
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Sen. Prozanski |
Comments that he thought the tax credit would be focused on assisting those who are struggling to stay competitive and provide minimum wage jobs. |
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Tamara Brickman |
Legislative Coordinator, Oregon Employment Department. Refers to the requirement to report the number of people employed within the definition. States that the department tracks covered employment and notes that not all agricultural employees are covered for purposes of unemployment insurance.
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TAPE 159, SIDE A |
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Chair Deckert |
States the bill will continue to be worked on. |
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059 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Withdraws his motion on the -3 amendments. |
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060 |
Chair Deckert |
Closes the work session on SB 1083 and opens the public hearing on HB 2542. |
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HB 2542 – PUBLIC HEARNG |
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Chair Deckert |
Seeing and hearing no one to speak to HB 2542 closes the public hearing on HB 2542 and opens the work session on HB 2542. |
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HB 2542 – WORK SESSION |
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Sen. Metsger |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2542-A13 amendments dated 6/30/05 (EXHIBIT 3). |
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Sen. C. Starr |
Asks if the -13 amendments increase taxes, does it require a super majority on the floor. |
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Chair Deckert |
Answers that this is not a revenue raising measure. |
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LizBeth Martin-Mahar |
Economist, Legislative Revenue Office. Explains that Oregon has not yet connected to the federal legislation, current law is as it is. Explains that one criterion to determine if the super majority is needed is whether the intent is to not raise taxes. |
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Dexter Johnson |
Legislative Counsel Office. Concludes that the reconnect bill, as presently constructed, is not a bill requiring the super majority. States that the primary purpose in this bill is to connect to recent changes in federal tax law. |
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Sen. George |
Inquires whether the original disconnect required a super majority vote and could it be an issue later. |
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Martin-Mahar |
Answers no, the original "A" engrossed bill had a very big revenue loss to the state. |
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Johnson |
States that the federal law was different then. |
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Sen. George |
Explains why he cannot support this. |
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VOTE: 3-2-0 AYE: 3 - Metsger, Prozanski, Deckert NAY: 2 - George, Starr C. |
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Chair Deckert |
The motion CARRIES. |
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173 |
Sen. Metsger |
MOTION: Moves HB 2542 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 3-2-0 AYE: 3 - Metsger, Prozanski, Deckert NAY: 2 - George, Starr C. |
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178 |
Chair Deckert |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. DECKERT will lead discussion on the floor. |
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180 |
Chair Deckert |
Closes the work session on HB 2542. Recesses the meeting until ten minutes following the end of business of the morning floor session. |
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201 |
Sen. C. Starr |
States notice of possible minority report on HB 2542. |
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Meeting is recessed from 9:51 a.m. to 11:50 a.m. |
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Chair Deckert |
Reconvenes the meeting at 11:50 and opens the work session on SB 1083. |
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212 |
Sen. Metsger |
Explains the consensus on SB 1083 is to return to the original language as drafted in SB 1083 but equine stabling, horse shows and dog kenneling; things that are not traded sectors in agriculture are eliminated. |
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233 |
Chair Deckert |
Closes the work session on SB 1083 and opens the public hearing on HB 3481. |
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HB 3481 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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Matt Blevins |
Legislative Director, Oregon Environmental Council. Explains the -B19 amendments (EXHBIT 4) are the -B17 amendments without the fee increase funding for clean emission school buses. |
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Sen. C. Starr |
Asks about the -B18 amendments (EXHIBIT 5). |
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255 |
Martin-Mahar |
Believes these are a further revision of the -B12 amendments. (See the outline of proposed amendments and staff measure summary (EXHIBIT 6). |
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Sen. George |
Asks if diesel vehicles would be eliminated. |
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Sen. Prozanski |
Asks if the -B19 amendments incorporate the -B18 amendments. |
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Blevins |
Explains that in the -B17 and -B19 amendments remove methanol from the band of fuel additives; the -B18 also added the methanol and bio-diesel plants to the siting exemption. |
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332 |
Sen. C. Starr |
Objects to the mandate. |
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Chair Deckert |
Expects that this will go to a conference committee. Suggests waiting until Friday giving everyone an opportunity to review the amendments. |
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357 |
Martin-Mahar |
Notes that the Tri-Met pollution control tax credit is not in the -B19 amendments. |
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367 |
Chair Deckert |
States that HB 3481 and SB 1083 will post for work sessions tomorrow following floor session. |
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Chair Deckert |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3481 and adjourns the meeting at noon. |
Tape Log Submitted by,
Linda K. Gatto, Committee Assistant
Exhibit Summary:
1. SB 1083, -3 amendments, staff, 4 pp
2. SB 1083, chart, staff, 1 p
3. HB 2542A, -A13 amendments, staff, 5 pp
4. HB 3481B, -B19 amendments, staff, 56 pp
5. HB 3481B, -B18 amendments, staff, 2 pp
6. HB 3481B, outline of proposed amendments and staff measure summary, staff, 5 pp