SENATE COMMITTEE ON RULES

 

 

July 14, 2005†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Hearing Room B

1:00 P.M.†††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Tapes† 162 - 164

Corrected 10/28/05

MEMBERS PRESENT:†††††††† Sen. Kate Brown, Chair

Sen. Ted Ferrioli, Vice-Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Charlie Ringo

Sen. Frank Shields

 

VISITING MEMBER: ††††††††† Sen. Richard Devlin

 

STAFF PRESENT:†††††††††††††††† Tiffany Harris, Committee Administrator

Dawn Tuso, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:††††††††††

Governorís Education Investment Plan Ė Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.† Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speakerís exact words.† For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 162, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls meeting to order at 1: 09 p.m. and opens a public hearing on the Governorís Education Investment Plan.

GOVERNORíS EDUCATION INVESTMENT PLAN Ė PUBLIC HEARING

 

Tiffany Harris

Committee Administrator. Submits LC 3739 (EXHIBIT A) and a press release from Governor Kulongoski (EXHIBIT B).

008

James Sager

Governorís office. Submits and discusses an overview of the Governorís education investment proposal (EXHIBIT C). Offers background information regarding the Governorís proposal.†

062

Sager

Provides overview of the elements of the education enterprise:

  • Pre-K
  • K-12 State School Fund
  • Oregon Community College and Workforce Department
  • Community College Support Fund
  • Oregon University System
  • OHSU
  • OSAC
  • Oregon Department of Education

075

Sager

Continues overview of the Governorís education investment proposal. Reports that the Governor wants to dedicate 61% of the general fund to the education enterprise. Comments that the Governor supports the proposal that has passed through the legislature that increases the cap from 5% to 10%.

120

Chair Brown

Asks if the proposal he is speaking of is SJR 2 (2005).

122

Sager

Replies yes.

123

Sager

Continues overview of the Governorís education investment proposal.

174

Sen. Avel Gordly

Senate District 23. Thanks the Governor and Speaker of the House for elevating the conversation regarding education funding. Talks about the importance of providing an education budget. Supports investment in the education enterprise.

250

Sen. Gordly

Discusses the Governorís education investment proposal. Stresses importance of having support for low performing schools. Says that component is needed in the education plan that is adopted. Believes we need a plan that permits Portland to retain its property tax formula.

278

Sen. Gordly

Concludes testimony.

289

Sen. Ferrioli

Asks if they are aware of negotiations between the Governor and the Speaker of the House.

305

Sen. Gordly

Defers to Mr. Sager.

308

Sager

Replies that they have had conversations. Discusses conversations.

325

Sen. Ferrioli

Asks if the conversations have been ongoing.

326

Sager

Replies yes.

327

Sen. Ferrioli

Comments that he welcomes that news. Feels it has not been widely known. Says that he expected the Governor to be here today to give the presentation himself.

332

Sen. Gordly

Explains that the Governor is meeting with a delegation from Japan right now.

346

Sen. Ferrioli

Offers comments and asks what the Governorís plan does to help deal with increasing accountability in the system.

371

Sen. Gordly

Defers to Mr. Sager.

375

Sager

Responds to Sen. Ferrioliís comments and questions.

TAPE 163, A

001

Sager

Continues response to Sen. Ferrioliís questions.

009

Sen. Gordly

Speaks to Sen. Ferrioliís question regarding the Governorís plan for providing more accountability.

034

Chair Brown

Talks about SB 639 (2005) and SB 766 (2005). Believes that both of those bills will put more administrative dollars into the classrooms. Asks where the Governor stands on both of those measures.

041

Sager

Replies that the Governor supports SB 639. Explains that he has not had conversations with the Governor regarding SB 766.

069

Sen. Atkinson

Makes comments regarding the legislature. Thanks Sen. Gordly for raising the decorum.

074

Sen. Shields

Comments that there is some concern that when such a large amount of the budget is dedicated to education, that the human services budget will suffer. Asks how they should make decisions regarding the budget with that in mind.

084

Sen. Gordly

Responds to Sen. Shieldsí question.

122

Sen. Shields

Asks if one budget can be supported without the other or if one can be supported before the other or if they both have to be supported together.

133

Sen. Gordly

Responds that we have to start somewhere. Says we have the opportunity to address the big picture.

159

Sen. Devlin

Addresses Mr. Sager.

165

Chair Brown

Asks Sen. Devlin to hold his questions for Mr. Sager until all questions directed to Sen. Gordly have been addressed.

172

Sen. Ferrioli

Says that he did not understand the connection between the Governorís plan and the need for a new revenue source. Appreciates Sen. Shieldsí and Sen. Gordlyís comments on that issue.

183

Sen. Devlin

Asks Mr. Sager about the 61% of the general fund. Asks if he is using the broadest definition of the general fund.

194

Sager

Replies that he is using the general fund as it is now defined.

198

Sen. Devlin

Asks if the Governor has found any real structural problems. Points out a structural problem with community colleges.

218

Sager

Responds.

233

Sen. Devlin

Asks for Mr. Sager to comment on how the quality education model (QEM) is misjudged and how it can be useful as a tool. Asks if there should be a Pre-K through 20 QEM.

244

Sager

Replies that the Governor would not disagree with that kind of concept. Responds to Sen. Devlinís questions.

280

George Pernsteiner

Chancellor, Oregon University System. Testifies in support of the Governorís education enterprise plan. Believes that the Governorís proposal is a good first step.

359

Preston Pulliams

District President, Portland Community College. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D). Testifies in support of the Governorís education enterprise plan.

TAPE 162, B

001

Pulliams

Concludes testimony.

007

Cam Preus-Braly

Director, Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development. Testifies in support of the Governorís education enterprise plan.

027

Sen. Shields

Asks how people around the country are responding to Oregonís ratings in terms of its investment in education per student.

035

Pernsteiner

Discusses responses.

077

Pulliams

Discusses direct impact of the funding level in Oregon.

103

Sen. Ringo

Comments on testimony. Thanks witnesses for their testimony.

117

Pulliams

Responds to Sen. Ringoís comments.

122

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Directs questions to the panel. Comments on how the Governorís plan and the Speaker of the Houseís plan would have an effect on other services. Asks how they will respond in the community when the needs of the students cannot be met with general fund dollars because of the relative dedication to education.

156

Pernsteiner

Responds that it is a difficult tradeoff. Says that an investment in education overtime could and should mean a lower demand for other services that otherwise would be the case. The hope is that if there is a more educated citizen rate then there will be a more robust economy.

166

Pulliams

Responds to Sen. Ferrioliís question.

183

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Comments that they are in an awkward position as well because they are ending up as the poster children for additional revenue for Oregon.

224

Molly Adams

Stand For Children. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E). Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise plan.

280

Tricia Smith

Oregon School Employees Association. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT F). Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise. Expresses concerns with the Governorís education enterprise proposal.

360

Smith

Points out that the constitution does not allow the legislature to set a percentage of available revenue as the amount to fund education. Reads article 8, section 8 of the constitution.

368

Smith

Continues discussing concerns with the Governorís education enterprise proposal.

TAPE 163, B

001

Smith

Concludes testimony.

004

Marcia Kelley

American Association of University Women (AAUW) of Oregon. Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise proposal.

051

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks staff to submit Marcia Kelleyís written testimony that was submitted at a prior hearing.

053

Kelley

Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G).

054

Sen. Ringo

Asks where the tax statistics referenced are from.

055

Kelley

Responds that they are from the Council on State Taxation. Says the figures are from 2003.

063

Sen. Shields

Mentions references to sufficient funds. Says that Oregonís definition of sufficient is insufficient.

073

Smith

Responds to comment.

087

Laurie Wimmer Whelan

Oregon Education Association. Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise plan. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

173

Andi Jordan

Oregon Parent Teachers Association. Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise plan.

211

Kathryn Firestone

Coalition for Schools. Testifies on the Governorís education enterprise plan.

240

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks if the issue is sufficiency and adequacy and not necessarily stability.

250

Sen. Shields

Believes that the witnesses addressed that issue and that is why he did not have any questions for them.

253

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks Ms. Jordan if she has written testimony that she can submit to the committee.

254

Jordan

Replies yes. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I).

266

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Comments on testimony. Asks Mr. Sager how the Governor plans to deal with the dedication of 61% of the general fund to education and the effect it will have on social services, human services, and public safety.

273

Sager

Responds to Sen. Ferrioliís question.

313

Sen. Shields

Comments on the issue of addressing all services.

323

Sager

Addresses Sen. Shieldsí comments.

346

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks Mr. Sager if there is a mechanism for characterizing the educational attainment of the Asian and European countries with which we will compete in comparison with those educational attainments of Oregonians.

380

Sager

Responds that Oregonís standards have been reviewed and compared to international standards by ACHIEVE.

TAPE 164, A

001

Sager

Continues response to Sen. Ferrioliís question.

009

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks about the 51%.

011

Sager

Replies no.

012

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks how they got to 61%.

013

Sager

Explains how they reached 61%.

021

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Clarifies that he does not believe any new revenue is needed to accomplish the objective.

022

Sager

Responds that it is his contention that by providing this approach as a floor, it will provide predictability and stability.

024

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks about the revenue side of the equation.

024

Sager

Believes that the revenue will be there.

028

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Asks about the question of adequacy. Asks if the approach will deal with adequacy and stability or if it focuses on stability.

032

Sager

Says that the Governor sees it as dealing with stability and beginning the reinvestment into the system.

044

Sen. Shields

Appreciates the discussion. Expresses concerns.

050

Vice-Chair Ferrioli

Closes the public hearing and adjourns the meeting at 3:07 p.m.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.     Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), staff, 26 pp

B.     Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), press release, staff, 2 pp

C.     Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), proposal overview, James Sager, 1 p

D.    Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Preston Pulliams, 2 pp

E.     Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Molly Adams, 2 pp

F.      Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Tricia Smith, 3 pp

G.    Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Marcia Kelley, 5 pp

H.    Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Laurie Wimmer Whelan, 2 pp

I.       Education Investment Plan, Governorís (LC 3739), written testimony, Andi Jordan, 1 p