SENATE COMMITTEE ON RULES
July 19, 2005 Hearing Room B
1:00 P.M. Tapes 169 - 171
Corrected 10/28/05
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Kate Brown, Chair
Sen. Ted Ferrioli, Vice-Chair
Sen. Jason Atkinson
Sen. Charlie Ringo
Sen. Frank Shields
STAFF PRESENT: Tiffany Harris, Committee Administrator
Katie Lowry, Committee Assistant
MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 1094 - Public Hearing
HB 3117 - Work Session
HB 2130A - Work Session
HB 2265B - Work Session
SB 1096 - Public Hearing
HB 3240A - Public Hearing
HB 2181B - Public Hearing
HB 3349 - Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE 169, A |
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005 |
Chair Brown |
Calls the meeting to order at 1:04 p.m. and opens a public hearing on SB 1094. Notes the committee is officially meeting as a sub-committee. |
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SB 1094 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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008 |
Sen. David Nelson |
Senate District 29. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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034 |
Chair Brown |
Notes the committee is now meeting as a full committee. |
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035 |
Lisa Mittelsdorf |
Port of Morrow. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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058 |
Billie G. Morris |
Director, Chamber of Commerce, City of Boardman. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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073 |
Terry Tallman |
Judge, Morrow County. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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103 |
Chair Brown |
States that she thought we had already lost the bid to Washington. Asks if that is not the case. |
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106 |
Mittelsdorf |
Replies that is not the case. Explains in detail. |
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112 |
Tallman |
Asks about ISC. |
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113 |
Mittelsdorf |
Replies International Speedway Corporation. |
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114 |
Sen. Ringo |
Wonders about the hurdles faced in this project if legislation is not passed. Explains his understanding is that a land use application was made and the Land Conservation and Development Commission (LCDC) did not approve part of that application. Asks witness for clarification. |
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119 |
Mittelsdorf |
Confirms that LCDC did not approve part of that application. Details the restrictions that were placed on the project. |
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123 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks what caused LCDC to place those limitations on the project. |
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124 |
Mittelsdorf |
Replies it is outside of a city. |
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125 |
Sen. Ringo |
Wonders if it was because of a land use goal. |
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126 |
Mittelsdorf |
Explains they had to go through a goal exception process. |
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127 |
Sen. Ringo |
Verifies that LCDC did not approve that. |
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128 |
Mittelsdorf |
Replies correct. Continues explaining limitations on the project. |
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135 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks if witness believes these limitations essentially kill the deal in Morrow County. |
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136 |
Mittelsdorf |
Explains the developer is saying it is now very difficult to put a deal together with these limitations. |
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137 |
Sen. Ringo |
Wonders about the dollar amount of development that might occur if this goes forward. States he has heard big numbers. |
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140 |
Mittelsdorf |
Replies it is big numbers depending on the size of the project. Estimates 100 million to 250 million dollars. |
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142 |
Sen. Ringo |
States that is the initial development. Wonders if the track would be in use 52 weeks a year. |
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144 |
Mittelsdorf |
Responds. |
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152 |
Chair Brown |
Refers to the controversy with expanding the North Bend Airport. Wonders if the Pendleton Airport will need expansion due to the traffic the speedway will bring in. |
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158 |
Mittelsdorf |
Believes the Pendleton Airport would love to have additional traffic based on this speedway. Discusses airport on site. |
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170 |
F.E. Glenn |
Mayor, City of Boardman. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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202 |
Rep. Greg Smith |
House District 57. Discusses conversations he had with Lane Shetterly, Director, Department of Land Conservation and Development. Testifies in support of SB 1094. |
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252 |
Sen. Shields |
Wonders about the risk of this investment. |
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258 |
Glenn |
Discusses the risks involved with SB 1094. |
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288 |
Rep. G. Smith |
Points out that risks are involved with any economic investment. Provides an example. Discusses management of risks. |
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The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Monte Grove |
Highway Division, Oregon Department of Transportation. Submits written testimony regarding SB 1094 (EXHIBIT A). |
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Bob Rindy |
Department of Land Conservation and Development. Submits written testimony on behalf of Lane Shetterly regarding SB 1094 (EXHIBIT B). |
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307 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the public hearing on SB 1094 and opens a work session on HB 3117. |
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HB 3117 - WORK SESSION |
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310 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 3117. |
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322 |
Rep. Billy Dalto |
House District 21. Expresses support for HB 3117. |
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324 |
Greg Olson |
Marion County Sheriff’s Office. Expresses support for HB 3117. |
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330 |
Chair Brown |
MOTION: Moves HB 3117 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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332 |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 |
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Chair Brown |
Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED. PRESIDENT COURTNEY will lead discussion on the floor. |
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336 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on HB 3117 and opens a work session on HB 2130A. |
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HB 2130A - WORK SESSION |
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340 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 2130A. |
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350 |
Chair Brown |
MOTION: Moves HB 2130A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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360 |
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VOTE: 4-1-0 AYE: 4 – Ferrioli, Ringo, Shields, Brown NAY: 1 - Atkinson |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. RINGO will lead discussion on the floor. |
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362 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on HB 2130A and opens a work session on HB 2265B. |
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HB 2265B - WORK SESSION |
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Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Submits the –B6 amendments (EXHIBIT C), and the –B8 amendments (EXHIBIT D) to HB 2265B. |
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365 |
Chair Brown |
Makes comments regarding HB 2265B. |
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370 |
Sen. Brown |
MOTION: Moves HB 2265B to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Budget. |
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373 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
States he would like to move this bill with an amendment. |
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375 |
Chair Brown |
Replies no. States Sen. Ferrioli can make a motion for an amendment. |
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376 |
Chair Brown |
Withdraws motion. |
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378 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2265-B8 amendments dated 07/08/05. |
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382 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Discusses the -B8 amendments. |
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TAPE 170, A |
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Chair Brown |
States she has not had an opportunity to review the amendments. Explains she has been given orders to send this bill to Senate Budget so they can address some of these issues. |
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010 |
Sen. Shields |
Verifies that Sen. Ferrioli is moving an amendment that he hasn’t yet had a chance to look at. |
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011 |
Chair Brown |
Replies yes. States she is opposing the motion. |
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018 |
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VOTE: 2-3-0 AYE: 2 - Atkinson, Ferrioli NAY: 3 – Ringo, Shields, Brown |
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Chair Brown |
The motion FAILS. |
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019 |
Chair Brown |
MOTION: Moves HB 2265B to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Budget. |
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020 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Believes there is an opportunity to add a minority report. |
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021 |
Chair Brown |
Believes that is not true because the bill is being referred to the Senate Budget Committee and the motion made is without recommendation. |
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025 |
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VOTE: 3-2-0 AYE: 3 - Ringo, Shields, Brown NAY: 2 - Atkinson, Ferrioli |
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Chair Brown |
The motion CARRIES. |
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026 |
Chair Brown |
Closes the work session on HB 2265B and opens a public hearing on SB 1096. |
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SB 1096 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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028 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of SB 1096. Submits the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT E). |
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032 |
Sen. Laurie Monnes-Anderson |
Senate District 25. Testifies in support of SB 1096. |
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066 |
Rep. John Lim |
House District 50. Testifies in support of SB 1096. |
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093 |
Chair Brown |
Recesses the public hearing on SB 1096 and opens a public hearing on HB 3240A. |
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HB 3240A - PUBLIC HEARING |
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097 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 3240A. |
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101 |
Rep Kim Thatcher |
House District 25. Explains HB 3240A. |
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107 |
Chair Brown |
Recesses the public hearing on HB 3240A and re-opens the public hearing on SB 1096. |
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SB 1096 - PUBLIC HEARING |
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116 |
Maria Rojo de Steffey |
Multnomah County Commissioner. Provides background information on this issue. Testifies in opposition to SB 1096. |
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191 |
David Fuller |
Mayor, Wood Village. Testifies in opposition to SB 1096. Submits proposed amendments to SB 1096 (EXHIBIT F). |
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242 |
Mike Weatherby |
Mayor, Fairview. Testifies in opposition to SB 1096. |
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265 |
Paul Thalhofer |
Mayor, Troutdale. Testifies in opposition to SB 1096. |
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319 |
Chair Brown |
Makes comments regarding her district. |
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321 |
Thalhofer |
Continues testimony on SB 1096. |
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372 |
Chair Brown |
States this bill will not be moved today. |
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378 |
Shane Bemis |
City of Gresham Council President. Submits and summarizes written testimony in support of SB 1096 (EXHIBIT G). |
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TAPE 169, B |
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001 |
Bemis |
Continues testimony. |
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017 |
Kathy Everett |
Executive Director, Gresham Downtown Development Association. Provides background information on the Gresham Downtown Development Association. Testifies in support of SB 1096. |
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042 |
Dave Shields |
Gresham Chamber of Commerce. Testifies in support of SB 1096. |
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086 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks witness to comment on lane miles versus line miles. |
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088 |
Bemis |
Suggests that the main objection of the three cities is using center line miles. Discusses lane miles. |
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093 |
Sen. Ringo |
Points out that the previous witnesses emphasized that was the disagreement. |
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095 |
Bemis |
Discusses current negotiations with Multnomah County. |
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102 |
Sen. Ringo |
States he didn’t quite follow that. Suggests that witness said he believes the difference was not very significant. |
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103 |
Bemis |
Explains the difference in revenue from what Multnomah County is currently negotiating with the City of Gresham is almost identical to lane miles. |
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107 |
Sen. Ringo |
Points out that the previous witnesses testified that SB 1096 uses the term lane miles and everywhere else it is calculated in terms of center line miles. Wonders if that is accurate. |
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109 |
Shields |
Responds. |
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115 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Points out that nobody is arguing the road transfer should take place. Believes the disagreement is over the standard on which the funding mechanism is based. Discusses transfers. Wonders why there shouldn’t be one standard that is agreed upon. |
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126 |
Shields |
Agrees. Discusses parity and equity with regards to standards. |
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142 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Wonders if witness would oppose the transfer if center line mile was established as the standard. |
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145 |
Shields |
States they would not oppose it as long as it is equitable to everyone. |
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149 |
Chair Brown |
Makes comments regarding today’s amendments. |
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156 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks clarification regarding today’s agenda. |
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157 |
Chair Brown |
Provides clarification. |
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159 |
Sen. Shields |
Wonders about the difference between center line miles and lane miles. Points out a discrepancy. |
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170 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Mentions that Mr. Bemis pointed out that there was only $100,000 difference in the road maintenance distribution. States he got a strong sense from other testimony that that is not the case. Agrees that wider roads cost more to maintain. Wonders why the City of Gresham wants them. Remarks on testimony. |
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184 |
Shields |
Responds to comments that taking over the roads will create a lot of economic benefits for the City of Gresham. |
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199 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Believes there is a consensus with the transfer of the roads. States the question is the revenue that comes with it. |
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201 |
Shields |
Reiterates request for parity. |
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206 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Asks Commissioner Rojo de Steffey to respond to testimony regarding $100,000 difference between using center line miles and lane miles. |
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210 |
Rojo de Steffey |
Introduces Rob Fussell. |
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215 |
Rob Fussell |
Chief of Staff for County Chair, Multnomah County. Discusses using center line miles versus lane miles. |
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243 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Verifies that center line miles are the standard of parity. |
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244 |
Rojo de Steffey |
Confirms that center line miles are the standard. Understands that center line miles are about 13 percent of funding whereas lane miles take about 24 percent of funding. Reiterates belief that the right thing to do is to transfer the roads to the City of Gresham. Discusses current negotiations. |
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264 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Wonders what the progress of the negotiations would be if SB 1096 was not passed. |
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269 |
Rojo de Steffey |
Explains they are committed to a resolution. Expresses certainty that this will happen. |
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285 |
Ralph Groener |
AFSCME. States he is representing Ken Allen. Testifies in opposition to SB 1096. Submits proposed amendments (EXHIBIT H). |
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338 |
Groener |
Discusses center line and lane miles. |
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389 |
Bill Penhollow |
Association of Oregon Counties. Makes clarification. |
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409 |
Groener |
Thanks Mr. Penhollow. Continues testimony regarding SB 1096. |
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TAPE 170, B |
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003 |
Vice- Chair Ferrioli |
Asks if there is a standard that can be identified with regards to revenue sharing agreements. |
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006 |
Penhollow |
Responds. |
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049 |
Sen. Ringo |
Makes comments. |
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051 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Provides clarification regarding amendments. |
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064 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Closes the public hearing on SB 1096 and opens a public hearing on HB 2181B. |
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HB 2181B - PUBLIC HEARING |
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069 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 2181B. |
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075 |
Mark Long |
Administrator, State Building Codes. Testifies in support of HB 2181B. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I). |
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092 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Wonders if there are any amendments to HB 2181B. |
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094 |
Harris |
Replies not at this time. |
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096 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Believes Chair Brown will schedule a work session soon. |
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097 |
Harris |
States there are some conflicts that were identified by Legislative Counsel. States there will be conflict amendments. |
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100 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2181B and opens a public hearing on HB 3240A. |
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HB 3240A - PUBLIC HEARING |
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101 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 3240A. |
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110 |
Davis Dyer |
Resident, Keizer. Testifies in support of HB 3240A. |
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161 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Verifies that the organizations would need to be categorized as 501(c) (3) organizations. |
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162 |
Dyer |
Replies yes. |
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163 |
Tricia Smith |
Oregon School Employees Association. Testifies in support of HB 3240A. |
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183 |
Jessica Stevens |
SEIU. Expresses concerns regarding HB 3240A. |
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209 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
States he has an excerpt from ORS 65.001 which defines public benefit corporation. Explains there is a specific prohibition against including religious corporation within the definition. Explains religious corporations do not fall under the definition of public benefit corporation. |
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214 |
Stevens |
Replies the definition of corporation sole, found in ORS 65.067 is proactively included in the definition of public benefit corporation. |
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217 |
Sen. Ringo |
Asks for her to repeat statement. |
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218 |
Stevens |
Repeats statement. |
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219 |
Sen. Ringo |
Clarifies that witness said corporation sole. |
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220 |
Stevens |
Replies yes. States it is a form of a religious corporation. |
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225 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Believes there is a question regarding definitions. |
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234 |
Dyer |
Responds to concerns raised by previous witness. |
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267 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3240A and opens a public hearing on HB 3349. |
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HB 3349 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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273 |
Tiffany Harris |
Committee Administrator. Provides an overview of HB 3349. Submits the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT J) and the -6 amendments (EXHIBIT K) to HB 3349. |
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310 |
Matt Minahan |
Oregon Pyrotechnics Association. Testifies in support of HB 3349 with the -1 amendments. |
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334 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Verifies the -1 amendments allow storage of pyrotechnical materials in existing locations where they are currently stored on lands zoned exclusive farm use (EFU). |
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338 |
Minahan |
Discusses difference between fireworks and explosive materials in the ORS. |
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346 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Points out there are agricultural uses for black powder and dynamite. |
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347 |
Minahan |
Replies yes. Explains. |
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353 |
Bill Zuber |
Owns Christmas Tree Farm, Clackamas County. Testifies in support of HB 3349 with the -1 amendments. Comments on SB 667 (2003). |
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391 |
Laura Borders |
Resident, Clackamas County. Certified pyrotechnician. Discusses safety issues. |
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TAPE 171, A |
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Borders |
Continues discussing safety issues. |
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019 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Mentions the -6 amendments. |
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025 |
Don Schellenberg |
Oregon Farm Bureau. Explains the purpose of the original bill. Comments on the -7 amendments. Urges committee to pass the original bill. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT L). |
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048 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Verifies the record should show that the witness would like the committee to move HB 3349 to the floor without any amendments. |
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049 |
Schellenberg |
Confirms. |
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The following material is submitted for the record without public testimony: |
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Daniel Tanner |
Resident, Pleasant Hill. Submits written testimony in support of HB 3349 with the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT M). |
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Cherrill Clifford |
Resident, Springfield. Submits written testimony regarding HB 3349 (EXHIBIT N). |
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050 |
Vice-Chair Ferrioli |
Makes comments. Closes the public hearing on HB 3349 and adjourns the meeting at 3:04 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY
A. SB 1094, written testimony, Monte Grove, 2 pp
B. SB 1094, written testimony of Lane Shetterly, Bob Rindy, 2 pp
C. HB 2265B, -B6 amendments, staff, 45 pp
D. HB 2265B, B8 amendments, staff, 46 pp
E. SB 1096, -1 amendments, staff, 2 pp
F. SB 1096, proposed amendments, David Fuller, 1 p
G. SB 1096, written testimony, Shane Bemis, 1 p
H. SB 1096, proposed amendments, Ralph Groener, 1 p
I. HB 2181B, written testimony, Mark Long, 1 p
J. HB 3349, -1 amendments, staff, 35 pp
K. HB 3349, -6 amendments, staff, 10 pp
L. HB 3349, written testimony, Don Schellenberg, 1 p
M. HB 3349, written testimony, Daniel Tanner, 1 p
N. HB 3349, written testimony, Cherrill Clifford, 1 p