SENATE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION
February 07, 2005 Hearing Room C
3:10 P.M. Tapes 13 - 14
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Joanne Verger, Chair
Sen. Doug Whitsett, Vice-Chair
Sen. Rick Metsger
Sen. Floyd Prozanski
Sen. Bruce Starr
STAFF PRESENT: Judith Callens, Committee Administrator
Gary Roulier, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD & WITNESSES:
SB 56 – Work Session
SB 72 – Work Session
SB 73 – Work Session
SB 74 – Work Session
SB 76 – Public Hearing
Lorna Youngs, Motor Vehicles Division
SB 296 – Public Hearing
Troy Costales – Transportation Safety Division
SB 317 – Public Hearing
Sen. Kurt Schrader, Oregon State Senate
Damiana Merryweather, Oregon Humane Society
Marsha Keith, Oregon Veterinary Medical Association
SB 411 – Public Hearing
Sen. Jason Atkinson, Oregon State Senate
Lorna Youngs, Motor Vehicles Division
Herman McDonald, Oregon Veterans
Alan Hageman, Oregon State Police
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 13, A |
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003 |
Chair Verger |
Opens the meeting at 3:11 and opens a work session on SB 56. |
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SB 56 – WORK SESSION |
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012 |
Paul Donheffner |
Director, State Marine Board. Reviews the provisions of the bill. |
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030 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks whether the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT A) were submitted by the Marine Board. |
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032 |
Donheffner |
Responds that the -1 amendments clarify some definitions within the bill. |
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047 |
Chair Verger |
Notes that there have been no deaths due to this type of activity in Oregon. Asks if the Marine Board will take steps to raise awareness of the dangers of this type of activity. |
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051 |
Donheffner |
Answers that the Marine Board will educate the public and reviews laws passed in California and numerous other states. |
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062 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 56-1 amendments dated 1/27/05. |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
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073 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 56A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. WHITSETT will lead discussion on the floor. |
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091 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session on SB 56 and opens a work session SB 72. |
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SB 72 – WORK SESSION |
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104 |
Troy Costales |
Manager, Transportation Safety Division, Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Explains the provisions of SB 72. |
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112 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 72 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. METSGER will lead discussion on the floor. |
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118 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session on SB 72 and opens a work session on SB 73. |
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SB 73 – WORK SESSION |
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121 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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128 |
Lorna Young |
Administrator, Motor Vehicles Division (DMV), Oregon Department of Transportation. Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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131 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 73 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. PROZANSKI will lead discussion on the floor. |
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149 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session on SB 73 and opens a work session on SB 74. |
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SB 74 – WORK SESSION |
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154 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of SB 74. |
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161 |
Metsger |
Asks about the parameters for the proposed process. |
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179 |
Youngs |
Responds that the bill is designed so that the requestor is not required to have a police report to request a new identification number. |
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189 |
Whitsett |
Asks what “substantial proof” would entail. |
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193 |
Youngs |
Answers that documentation would be required that someone had used their identity, and emphasizes that the requestor would need to adequately establish identity. |
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213 |
Whitsett |
Explains that his primary concern is that this does not open an avenue for people to change their identity. |
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224 |
Youngs |
Notes that the DMV shares his concern. |
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234 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 74 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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VOTE: 5-0-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. STARR will lead discussion on the floor. |
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241 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session on SB 74 and opens a public hearing on SB 76. |
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SB 76 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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246 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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251 |
Youngs |
Presents EXHIBIT B and testifies in support of SB 76, which would allow either parent or a legal guardian to withdraw consent for driving privileges for a teen. |
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290 |
Whitsett |
Asks about a situation where there are divorced parents. |
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299 |
Youngs |
Answers that either parent would have the right to withdraw privileges. |
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309 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Asks about conflicts between the parents and whether the “custodial parent” should have more authority. |
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323 |
Youngs |
Responds that, under current law, that distinction is not being made, and DMV is not in a position of “getting between” the parents on this issue. |
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344 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if this is a “big problem.” |
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350 |
Youngs |
Answers that it is not a “large problem,” and doesn’t concern a large number of individuals. |
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355 |
Sen. Metsger |
Reviews the changed language and asks if the requests to withdraw driving privileges could possibly be denied. |
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361 |
Youngs |
Responds that is not the department’s intent. |
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384 |
Sen. Metsger |
Clarifies that the language could put the department into a position of being an “arbiter.” |
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393 |
Youngs |
Confesses she is not sure why the bill was drafted that way. |
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401 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing on SB 76 and opens a public hearing on SB 296. |
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SB 296 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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TAPE 14, A |
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006 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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014 |
Costales |
Presents EXHIBIT C and testifies in opposition to SB 296. Stresses that signaling when turning, particularly at night, is crucial in letting others know of your intentions. |
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041 |
Costales |
Notes that his concern is about educating the public, law enforcement and the courts. |
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050 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if his concern is whether drivers who are not indicating they are turning, or that they may not be aware they are in a turn lane. |
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061 |
Costales |
Answers that his concern centers on the fact that other drivers will not be aware of the driver’s intentions. |
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075 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Explains the reasoning behind the bill, which originated from a constituent who received a citation for not signaling while in a mandatory turn lane. |
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083 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Asks if there is data available regarding accidents where drivers were in mandatory turn lanes. |
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086 |
Costales |
Responds that such data is probably not available. |
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091 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Asks if anyone has brought to his attention specific instances where not signaling in a mandatory turn lane was a hazard, or caused an accident. |
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098 |
Costales |
Answers that specific complaints have not been brought to his attention, just general concerns about not signaling. |
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101 |
Sen. Metsger |
Agrees that signals should not be necessary when in a mandatory turn lane. Wonders if there is a compromise available that would perhaps reduce the penalty for not signaling when in a mandatory turn lane. |
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135 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Comments that at night, not indicating a turn at some intersections could create a danger. |
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155 |
Costales |
Notes that some bike lanes, for example, would need the signal for safe avoidance of conflicts. |
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171 |
Sen. Prozanski |
States that any moving violation would go against a driver’s insurance. Adds that one alternative would be for the officer to issue a warning. |
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205 |
Chair Verger |
Reviews possible situations where lack of turn indication would cause conflicts. Closes the public hearing on SB 296 and opens a public hearing on SB 317. |
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SB 317 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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210 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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265 |
Sen. Kurt Schrader |
State Senator, District 20, and Past President, Oregon Veterinary Medical Association. Presents EXHIBIT D and testifies in support of SB 317. |
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291 |
Rep. Schrader |
Reviews accident data where animals were injured while riding in the rear of vehicles. |
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323 |
Chair Verger |
Asks how the size of the communities listed in the bill were determined. |
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326 |
Schrader |
Explains the reasoning behind the definition. |
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336 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Remarks that this would not be a popular bill in his district. |
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355 |
Damiana Merryweather |
Oregon Humane Society. Testifies in support of SB 317. |
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365 |
Marsha Keith |
Oregon Veterinary Medical Association. Presents some possible clarifications to the proposed bill. |
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393 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks again how the determination was made for the size of the community to be affected by the bill. |
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TAPE 13, B |
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002 |
Keith |
Responds that she was not a party to that discussion. Adds that they are willing to talk about the population number. |
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011 |
Chair Verger |
Notes that she is not clear about why the bill shouldn’t apply to all locales. |
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018 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Notes that most cattlemen have dogs that are trained to ride in the back of the vehicles. |
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030 |
Sen. Metsger |
Points out that cattlemen are exempted under the bill. Discusses the provisions with Sen. Whitsett |
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043 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks whether someone from law enforcement could speak to the legal violation of “any object” coming out of the vehicle. Notes that there may already be statutes that protect the animals. |
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074 |
Chair Verger |
Notes that the intent appears to be to protect animals from thoughtless owners. Closes the public hearing on SB 317 and opens a public hearing on SB 411. |
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SB 411 – PUBLIC HEARING |
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091 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
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099 |
Sen. Jason Atkinson |
State Senator, District 2. Testifies in support of the bill, which would allow an owner of a motorcycle to use group or special registration plates. |
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128 |
Chair Verger |
Notes the numbers of motorcycle riders in her district. |
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135 |
Sen. Atkinson |
Points out that people spend a great deal of money on their motorcycles, and could like to opportunity to utilize special registration plates. |
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141 |
Youngs |
Presents EXHIBIT E and testifies that the bill would require the department to do some “special programming.” Adds that there are law enforcement concerns about the readability of the motorcycle plates because of their small size. |
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161 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if the department would like to sell more of the specialty plates. |
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166 |
Youngs |
Answers that all of the revenue goes to the group that establishes the license plate. |
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171 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks if the major concern is the small size of the plate, and if “flat plate technology” would solve the problem. |
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184 |
Youngs |
Notes that the size of the plate has been a “long standing concern,” and the plates become more difficult to read as the graphics get more elaborate. |
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194 |
Sen. Starr |
Asks whether the department supports the bill and whether there are alternatives to make the plate more readable. |
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204 |
Youngs |
Expresses concern about whether they could maintain the integrity of the design and still the plate be “legible.” |
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206 |
Sen. Metsger |
Agrees that the plates are small and asks whether any group would have to meet a particular number of requests for plates. |
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224 |
Youngs |
Answers that they would probably not require the groups to sell 500 motorcycle plates. |
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241 |
Chair Verger |
Asks her to “walk the committee through the process.” |
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247 |
Youngs |
Reviews how the plates are purchased. Notes how an organization has a plate established as a “group plate.” Explains cost would be handled by the requestor. |
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284 |
Chair Verger |
Asks for clarification on how the different sizes affect their operation. |
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296 |
Youngs |
Notes that the passenger vehicle and motorcycle plates are not the same proportion and would therefore have to be redesigned. |
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316 |
Herman McDonald |
Oregon Veterans. Presents EXHIBIT F and testifies on some clarifications to definitions within SB 411. |
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351 |
McDonald |
Reviews the numbers of “veteran’s plates” sold for veteran’s groups in 2003 and 2004 in Oregon. |
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392 |
Alan Hageman |
Oregon State Police. Presents EXHIBIT G and testifies in opposition to SB 411 as it will diminish law enforcement’s ability to read the plate. |
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TAPE 14, B |
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011 |
Chair Verger |
Asks her if they have “serious doubts” if the numbers will be visible. |
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018 |
Youngs |
Answers that “she simply does not know.” Adds that they wanted to raise the concern as they may have problems with some of the graphics. |
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049 |
Chair Verger |
Restates witness McDonald’s concern about the availability of the plates for returning veterans. |
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051 |
Youngs |
Notes that McDonald’s testimony dealt with the creation of groups while this bill deals only with the creation of the plate. |
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060 |
Chair Verger |
Comments that McDonald’s intent was to maintain the ability of a veteran to obtain a specialty plate. |
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074 |
Youngs |
Reviews the criteria for availability of veteran’s plate. |
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083 |
Sen. Metsger |
Asks what the cost would be for a “special” motorcycle plate. |
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090 |
Youngs |
Answers that the estimates have been approximately $20,000, which would be borne by the group. |
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103 |
Sen. Metsger |
Notes that the committee should hear from a group that would want these plates. Adds that he would like to see a “mock-up” of the plate. |
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113 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Points out the broad relating clause and reviews the intent of witness McDonald’s testimony. |
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128 |
Youngs |
Adds that the department maintains a small supply of the group plates even when the 500 sales per year minimum is not met. |
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136 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Reviews a case involving stolen “specialty” plates. |
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153 |
Sen. Starr |
Comments that technology today should allow us to maintain the ability to produce these group plates. |
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164 |
Young |
Responds that “flat plate” technology is more expensive, but it is possible to maintain the ability - it is simply a matter of economics. |
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171 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if all the plates are manufactured in Oregon. |
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173 |
Youngs |
Responds that some of the plates are manufactured here. |
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178 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing on SB 411. |
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181 |
Chair Verger |
Discusses the out-of-office meeting on Friday, February 11, 2005. |
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194 |
Callens |
Reviews the arrangements. |
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203 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the meeting at 4:47 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY