SENATE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION
March 02, 2005 Hearing Room C
3:10 P.M. Tapes 27 - 29
MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Joanne Verger, Chair
Sen. Doug Whitsett, Vice-Chair
Sen. Rick Metsger
Sen. Floyd Prozanski
Sen. Bruce Starr
STAFF PRESENT: Judith Callens, Committee Administrator
Gary Roulier, Committee Assistant
MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:
SB 842 – Public Hearing
Metropolitan Planning Organizations – Informational Meeting
SB 595 – Public Hearing
SB 373 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 685 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.
|
TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
|
TAPE 27, A |
||
|
003 |
Chair Verger |
Opens the meeting at 3:14 p.m. and opens a public hearing on SB 842. |
|
SB 842 – PUBLIC HEARING |
||
|
004 |
Chair Verger |
Recesses the meeting at 3:15 p.m. |
|
005 |
Chair Verger |
Reconvenes the meeting at 3:18 p.m. |
|
008 |
Judith Callens |
Administrator. Explains the provisions of the bill. |
|
011 |
Sen. Ryan Deckert |
Senate District 14. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT A) and testifies in support of SB 842. |
|
061 |
Sen. Ben Westlund |
Senate District 27. Testifies in opposition to SB 842. Notes that in some parts of the state, studded tires are a necessity for safety. |
|
107 |
Sen. Ted Ferrioli |
Senate District 30. Testifies in opposition to SB 842. States that this issue has been visited in previous legislative sessions. |
|
163 |
Sen. Ferrioli |
Adds that this bill will be referred to Ways and Means. |
|
183 |
John Jackley |
Executive Officer, Highway Division, Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT). Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT B) and a report entitled “Studded Tire Use in Oregon” (EXHIBIT C) and testifies that ODOT is neutral on SB 842. |
|
213 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if he agrees with the estimate of $11 million of annual damage to the roads. |
|
215 |
Jackley |
Agrees that is probably a good estimate of the damage. |
|
217 |
Chair Verger |
Notes that this bill would provide additional revenue to the state highway fund. |
|
220 |
Jackley |
Reviews how the funds would be collected and disbursed. |
|
224 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks if there has been a recent study on the damage caused by studded tires. |
|
228 |
Jackley |
Responds that a study was conducted in 2000. |
|
233 |
Sen. Metsger |
Reviews a Washington state study that demonstrates that stopping distances on dry pavement is greater when studded tires are installed. |
|
253 |
Jackley |
Notes that he does not have that particular data but will provide it to the committee. |
|
259 |
Sen. Metsger |
Points out that several states have banned studded tires. |
|
268 |
Jackley |
Responds that he will provide that information to the committee as well. |
|
275 |
Mark Nelson |
Les Schwab Tire Centers. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT D) and a report entitled “Socio-Economic Effects of Studded Tire Use on Alaska” (EXHIBIT E) and testifies in opposition to SB 842. |
|
336 |
Nelson |
Reviews a study that examined studded tire use in Alaska. |
|
377 |
Nelson |
Observes that some people are not physically able to install chains on their vehicles. |
|
TAPE 28, A |
||
|
005 |
Nelson |
Notes that we must consider the total costs, i.e., accidents and increased insurance rates, and not just the cost of the damage to roads. Adds that this is also a fairness issue. |
|
027 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks about the traction differences between snow tires and studded tires on packed or wet snow and ice. |
|
040 |
Nelson |
Answers by reviewing the unique climate of eastern Oregon, specifically that the snow melts during the day and then freezes during the night. |
|
051 |
Sen. Metsger |
Discusses the prices of studded tires with the witness. Adds that the bill’s intent is to act as a disincentive and the proposed fee should not be a hardship to users of studded tires. |
|
088 |
Nelson |
Restates his belief that the additional fee would mean some people would not use the studded tires. |
|
097 |
Rep. Terry Beyer |
House District 12. Testifies in support of SB 842. Reviews an examination of this issue during the interim. |
|
141 |
Rep. Beyer |
Continues a summary of past efforts on this issue and reviews ODOT estimates of damage to roads due to studded tires. |
|
175 |
Rep. Beyer |
States that people drive faster in bad conditions with studded tires. |
|
183 |
Sen. Metsger |
Thanks Rep. Beyer for her work during the interim. |
|
189 |
Rep. Dave Hunt |
House District 40. Testifies in support of SB 842. |
|
227 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Asks if there was a discussion during the interim on a ban in specified areas of the state. |
|
244 |
Rep. Beyer |
Reviews discussions but notes that no consensus was reached. |
|
271 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Reviews the type of road conditions at higher elevations. |
|
298 |
Rep. Beyer |
Restates that this bill would not take away anyone’s choice to utilize studded tires. |
|
305 |
Rep. Hunt |
Notes that those drivers causing the most damage to the roads do not live in the areas of higher elevation. |
|
319 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks why a fee should be assessed to those who really need the tires. |
|
325 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Emphasizes that the fee would be assessed on anyone purchasing studded tires. |
|
351 |
Glen Stonebrink |
Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Testifies in opposition to SB 842. |
|
405 |
Stonebrink |
States that this fee would be a discrimination against those who live in the eastern portion of the state. |
|
TAPE 27, B |
||
|
011 |
Stonebrink |
Discusses safety issues. |
|
033 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing and opens an informational meeting on the Metropolitan Planning Organizations. |
|
METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS – INFORMATIONAL MEETING |
||
|
039 |
Betty Griffiths |
Councilor, City of Covallis. Presents a PowerPoint presentation (EXHIBIT F) and an information packet consisting of a roster of Metropolitan Planning Organizations (MPO) and resolutions related to transportation (EXHIBIT G). |
|
098 |
Michael Quilty |
Councilman, City of Central Point. Continues an explanation of the multi-modal concerns of the MPO and their federal requirements. |
|
152 |
Dan Clem |
Councilor, City of Salem. Continues a discussion of the MPO strategies related to multi-modal programs. |
|
197 |
Rex Burkholder |
Councilor, Metro. Reviews the twenty-year regional transportation plans of the MPOs. |
|
247 |
Burkholder |
Reviews the bottlenecks situated within the Portland area. |
|
287 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the informational meeting and opens a public hearing on SB 595. |
|
SB 595 – PUBLIC HEARING |
||
|
293 |
Callens |
Reviews the provisions of the bill. |
|
314 |
Sen. Betsy Johnson |
Senate District 16. Testifies in support of SB 595. |
|
363 |
Mark Gibson |
Timberland Logging. Presents written testimony (EXHIBIT H) and testifies in support of SB 595. |
|
TAPE 28, B |
||
|
003 |
Gibson |
Reviews how refueling operations are conducted when helicopters respond to a forest fire. |
|
038 |
Chair Verger |
Asks if the fuel truck drivers work for the helicopter company. |
|
041 |
Gibson |
Responds with an explanation of how refueling operations are carried out in fire fighting operations. |
|
059 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Asks how the reduction of the availability of fixed wing fire fighting aircraft has affected their operations. |
|
059 |
Gibson |
Comments on the availability of federal air tankers and how those operations differ from helicopter fire fighting operations. |
|
081 |
Sen. Whitsett |
Relates an experience fighting fires where the fuel truck was caught in the fire. |
|
089 |
Sen. Johnson |
Stresses the importance of the right combination of assets to fight fires. |
|
108 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing on SB 595. |
|
114 |
Sen. Metsger |
Asks if heavy trucks are allowed to use studded tires. |
|
120 |
Bob Russell |
President, Oregon Trucking Association. Responds that heavy trucks are not allowed to use studded tires. |
|
125 |
Chair Verger |
Opens a public hearing on SB 373. |
|
SB 373 – PUBLIC HEARING |
||
|
132 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of SB 373, and presents the -3 amendments (EXHIBIT I). |
|
167 |
Tricia Smith |
Oregon School Employees Association. Testifies in support of SB 373 and the intent of the -3 amendments. |
|
213 |
John Stubenvoll |
Communications Director, Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC). Testifies in support of SB 373 and notes that the type of OLCC employees covered is narrowly defined. |
|
249 |
Sen. Metsger |
Asks if OLCC has done any analysis of how many employees would be protected under this measure. |
|
253 |
Stubenvoll |
Responds that he has spoken to individual staff members that have been threatened. |
|
269 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing and opens a work session on SB 373. |
|
SB 373 – WORK SESSION |
||
|
287 |
Sen. Prozanski |
MOTION: Moves to AMEND SB 373 on page 2, in line 32, after "district attorney," insert "as defined in ORS 131.005 ". |
|
|
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
|
327 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 373-3 amendments dated 2/28/05. |
|
|
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
|
351 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 373 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
|
360 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Declares a possible conflict of interest as he is a district attorney and therefore affected by the provisions of the bill. |
|
|
|
|
|
365 |
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. SEN. PROZANSKI will lead discussion on the floor. |
|
371 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session and opens a public hearing on SB 685. |
|
SB 685 – PUBLIC HEARING |
||
|
375 |
Callens |
Explains the provisions of the bill. |
|
385 |
Ken McDermott |
Legislative Assistant for Sen. Charles Starr. Testifies in support of SB 685. |
|
TAPE 29, A |
||
|
002 |
McDermott |
Continues with an explanation of the intent of the bill. |
|
013 |
Jackley |
Presents an information packet containing written testimony and a report entitled “U-Turn Feasibility Study Report” (EXHIBIT J) and testifies in support of SB 685. |
|
040 |
Chair Verger |
Asks about the differences between being “able” to make a U-turn rather than “prohibitions” against U-turns. |
|
043 |
Jackley |
Explains the differences. |
|
050 |
Sen. Prozanski |
Summarizes the existing law and the suggested changes. |
|
065 |
Chair Verger |
Asks why the estimated costs are so high. |
|
069 |
Jackley |
Responds with an explanation of the inspections of intersections and other analysis by traffic personnel that would be necessary. |
|
080 |
Chair Verger |
Comments that any change seems to have a high cost attached. |
|
089 |
Jackley |
Reviews some of the safety concerns at intersections. |
|
098 |
McDermott |
Explains the original intent of the bill. |
|
109 |
Chair Verger |
Asks for the cost of the study. |
|
112 |
Jackley |
Answers that he does not have the figures but will provide the information to the committee. |
|
115 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the public hearing on SB 685 and reopens a work session on SB 373. |
|
SB 373 – WORK SESSION |
||
|
123 |
Callens |
Presents the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT K) and explains that they contain the language Sen. Prozanski suggested as his conceptual amendment. |
|
125 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 373-2 amendments dated 2/14/05. |
|
|
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
|
135 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT SB 373-3 amendments dated 2/28/05. |
|
|
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
|
140 |
Sen. Whitsett |
MOTION: Moves SB 373 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
|
|
|
VOTE: 4-0-1 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - B. Starr |
|
|
Chair Verger |
The motion CARRIES. |
|
153 |
Chair Verger |
Closes the work session and adjourns the meeting at 5:15 p.m. |
EXHIBIT SUMMARY